i guess they're trying to make the joker look scary, but he looks gross. i think they overdid it a little, in that "let's make things more extreme! this IS the 90s, PEOPLE" way

ubercat wrote:No 15 year old redhead female Robin. No gang ruling the city of Gotham. No mutant Biker villan. No one armed Green Arrow. No March/December bat-romance. I could go on and on.

This isn't The Dark Knight.

Oh, and Steve Carell would have been an awesome Joker.

The comic is called The Dark Knight Returns, not The Dark Knight. If any comic has influenced the Chris Nolan Batman movies, he's said it was Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's Long Halloween and Dark Victory books.

Christopher J. McGarvey wrote:

kenoki wrote:glad there's a new rachel dawes too.

mmm... Maggie Gyllenhaal

Ugh. I hate this Maggie Gyllenhaal. She's a dog. She can't act. She blames the victims of 9-11 for their own demise. Her last name is a pain in the ass to spell.

What is the appeal of this horrible women?

Where have the Audrey Hepburns and Anne Margarets gone?

These actresses nowadays look like smug teenage boys.


On Topic: Loved Batman Begins, and I will give this one the benefit of the doubt. (even if Heath Ledger is in it)

Oh jesus. Can't wait.

ubercat wrote:No 15 year old redhead female Robin. No gang ruling the city of Gotham. No mutant Biker villan. No one armed Green Arrow. No March/December bat-romance. I could go on and on.

This isn't The Dark Knight.

Oh, and Steve Carell would have been an awesome Joker.

I think Carell would make a better Riddler.

DrAwkward wrote:

ubercat wrote:No 15 year old redhead female Robin. No gang ruling the city of Gotham. No mutant Biker villan. No one armed Green Arrow. No March/December bat-romance. I could go on and on.

This isn't The Dark Knight.

Oh, and Steve Carell would have been an awesome Joker.

The comic is called The Dark Knight Returns, not The Dark Knight. If any comic has influenced the Chris Nolan Batman movies, he's said it was Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's Long Halloween and Dark Victory books.

This man knows from where he speaks and you should subscribe to his newsletter.


I'm jonesing for this movie. I had no problems with Ledger being cast as the Joker, but I maintain that Mark Hamill should be given his shot. Those who were fans of Dini's animated Batman TV series know why.

DrAwkward wrote:

ubercat wrote:No 15 year old redhead female Robin. No gang ruling the city of Gotham. No mutant Biker villan. No one armed Green Arrow. No March/December bat-romance. I could go on and on.

This isn't The Dark Knight.

Oh, and Steve Carell would have been an awesome Joker.

The comic is called The Dark Knight Returns, not The Dark Knight. If any comic has influenced the Chris Nolan Batman movies, he's said it was Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's Long Halloween and Dark Victory books.

I picked up a copy of Wizard(comic news mag) that had an on the set piece on The Dark Knight. Heath Ledger pointed out that the director had given him a copy of The Killing Joke(Joker tries driving Gordon insane in an attempt to prove just one bad day can push anyone over the edge)

If they are touching on that in the plot as well as what you've mentioned, that's a very promising move.

Dr. Venkman wrote:Ugh. I hate this Maggie Gyllenhaal. She's a dog.

These actresses nowadays look like smug teenage boys.

hahha i concur.

anyhow, the trailer looks awesome.

japmn wrote:That Joker looks like The Crow. Boo!

true, but it's more like a version of the crow with deeply twisted psychological knots. should be more interesting than the vigilante-type crow.

Heath Ledger as the Joker? Wow, that's a very expensive practical joke. Batman Begins was great though. It'll still be worth it.

while you wait, i give you Batman Vs Joker Vs Alien VS Predator

for a fan movie this is pretty entertaining. sorry if it has been posted before.