I have some friends that swore up and down that they would never ever have kids when the got hitched. A few years later, and they adopted two sisters (6 and 15) and got pregnant at the same time.

busbus wrote:What ever. By the way, you're a fucking idiot.

Did anyone in this thread get preachy about having kids? Nope. So shut your fucking pie hole when talking about what you think I or others feel about having
kids.

It was only a matter of time.

Like evangelical christians, many parents immediately get defensive, angry and try to silence you if you merely question their way of life or ridicule them a little. It's that nagging little voice in the back of their head saying, "god damn, maybe I did fuck up".

You must have at least two.

Motherhood? Not For Me, Thanks

Well, I think I'll go browse in a couple bookstores and then come home and take a nap. You. Have. A. Nice. Day.

Three solid success stories. It's a wonderful thing to hear.

Already have one.

A girlfriend and two cats.

unsaved wrote:

busbus wrote:What ever. By the way, you're a fucking idiot.

Did anyone in this thread get preachy about having kids? Nope. So shut your fucking pie hole when talking about what you think I or others feel about having
kids.

It was only a matter of time.

Like evangelical christians, many parents immediately get defensive, angry and try to silence you if you merely question their way of life or ridicule them a little. It's that nagging little voice in the back of their head saying, "god damn, maybe I did fuck up".

You must have at least two.

Motherhood? Not For Me, Thanks

Well, I think I'll go browse in a couple bookstores and then come home and take a nap. You. Have. A. Nice. Day.

Hey fuckbag, you were the one who started saying parents are full of shit.

Make sure, after you take your nap, to call mommy and ask for rent money.

planning on it. already have the wife. she and i want to have one kid, but the timing is going to be really tricky w/r/t both of our jobs and her med school schedule. we've had many talks about it - lots of abstract scheduling and future second guessing. short-term planning doesn't come naturally to either one of us, let alone five year plans...

but yeah, it's going to happen sometime in the next 3-7 years, probably closer to the 3 than the 7, given that we're already in our early 30s.

should be pretty cool.

unsaved wrote:

Josef K wrote:I have two kids and a wife. I love family life although I've had to sacrifice some things like some disposable income, free time, time with just my wife, time on my own, etc. But the positives outweigh the negatives. Definitely worth it.

Actually, the opposite is true--there are MANY more negatives. For me, "some disposable income, free time, time with just my wife, time on my own, etc." means just about everything. Take those things away and I would be one depressed, stressed out motherfucker. I can tell that a lot of my friends that went ahead and had kids without really thinking it out now feel trapped and fucked but have to constantly tell themselves and everyone else that "it's all worth it" so they won't snap.

Here's 83 reasons why it's worth it to not breed.

It probably balances out. It just depends how selfish you are and how much you are willing to sacrifice for the benefits of having a family. I haven't lost all of those things entirely, just volume.

I'm not that selfish so it wasn't and isn't a great hardship for me.

Please don't feel offended by the term selfish. We all are to a certain degree.

As busbus says I'm not getting all evangellical about starting a family, it's either for you or not. But of course it is worth thinking about very carefully. The thought of not seeing my family on a daily basis is one that makes me very sad, anxious even.

Heh heh. BusBus' tag is Koffi Annan at the moment. Perfect!.

unsaved wrote:
Like evangelical christians, many parents immediately get defensive, angry and try to silence you if you merely question their way of life or ridicule them a little.

phew - stinky bait. i refuse to bite. pretty low blow, and entirely unprovoked. you sound defensive.

It's that nagging little voice in the back of their head saying, "god damn, maybe I did fuck up".

this is the "you are a fucking idiot" part.

You must have at least two.

i think two kids are more fun than one. they play with each other. that's cool.

Motherhood? Not For Me, Thanks

fine, there are already too many self centered immature brats who made the ill-advised decision to have kids, then totally fucked up the job, leaving more idiots be-fouling the earth.

If you don't want kids, the wise choice, and the one I support, is not to have them. Bravo.

Well, I think I'll go browse in a couple bookstores and then come home and take a nap. You. Have. A. Nice. Day.

sounds nice for a while, but not what I want to do with my limited time here on earth.

busbus wrote:We decided to have one a few years back. He's the coolest little thing since Ampeg SVT amplifiers. He's almost two and I can't wait until he turns into my little helper or a drummer. I am going to need someone to jam with when I'm really old.

More parental fantasies. Odds are by the time he's a teenager, he won't want anything to do with you and what he see as your stupid, lame, old fart music. Oh, and probably everything else you value or believe in. So stop it already with your hopes for your own Chuck Dukowski family band and this little person you think you're going to mold to your liking.

My parents wanted me to love Jesus just like they did--sucks to be them!

unsaved wrote:

Josef K wrote:I have two kids and a wife. I love family life although I've had to sacrifice some things like some disposable income, free time, time with just my wife, time on my own, etc. But the positives outweigh the negatives. Definitely worth it.

Actually, the opposite is true--there are MANY more negatives. For me, "some disposable income, free time, time with just my wife, time on my own, etc." means just about everything. Take those things away and I would be one depressed, stressed out motherfucker. I can tell that a lot of my friends that went ahead and had kids without really thinking it out now feel trapped and fucked but have to constantly tell themselves and everyone else that "it's all worth it" so they won't snap.

Here's 83 reasons why it's worth it to not breed.

This list was clearly written by someone who obsesses over the fact that they can't have kids for some reason.
If they really didn't give a shit, they wouldn't know about phrases like
"helicopter kids"
"diaper blowout"
"ferberize"

Similar points could also be made about having a band or running a business or anything else. Just about anything worthwhile has a lot of ugly aspects to it.

If you want a good argument for why most people who don't have kids should (don't worry unsaved, I'm not talking about you), check out Idiocracy. It's not a great movie, but it's point stands.

edit: Don't have kids. Probably will in a couple of years.