greg wrote:The Jesus Lizard.
There was some magic in their shows wich can't be faked or contrived.
The Fugazi comes off kind of humorless and young minded. I don't get too energized by what people say in their songs. I think a lot of their music is amazing though.

Fugazi is a very cool band...but their tight, somewhat typical sound just can't compare to The Jesus Lizard's thick, dark, yet sorta funny (as in humorous) sound. "Typical" might not be a fair way to describe Fugazi, but the Jesus Lizard seems really original to me...even though the "Chicago"/"Albini" sound has been around for a long time now.

I never was able to see a live show of either group, though. Despite this, I can't imagine that Fugazi could possibly have been more intense than the Jesus Lizard on stage (at least during TJL's prime years).

Jesus Lizard by a long way.

sphincter wrote:A guy kept crowd surfing during one show and Ian Mackaye didn't try and throw the kid out or go nuts, he just made fun of him for being a complete dick, fair enough I say.

also Guy jumps on anyone who gets on stage and starts furiously making out with them, pretty good tactic...I wouldn't do it if I knew that was coming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zibWVwI26o

here's the best the jesus lizard clip where duane beats up crowd member. it's at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9u5XxLx6w

Piasek wrote:here's the best the jesus lizard clip where duane beats up crowd member. it's at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9u5XxLx6w

I already posted this earlier in the thread

Marsupialized wrote:

Piasek wrote:here's the best the jesus lizard clip where duane beats up crowd member. it's at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9u5XxLx6w

I already posted this earlier in the thread

sorry

holmes wrote:

honeyisfunny wrote:

holmes wrote:im talking about all that DONT drink DONT smoke. its not that they just say they arent into it - that would be fine, in fact id give them major props. they go as far as to almost alienate you from their scene if you do. thats utter bullshit man. this is fucking punk rock - its for all different types of people. fair enough if you dont want drink or smokes at your, gig thats fine fine too. but to alienate people for wanting to buy that shit in their own time, and forcing that way of life on your (not all the time but often) very damaged-impressionable-young-probably-bullied fan base is bullshit. That side i am not debating the many other actually great things they have done at all.

im with bradley on this one.

Where the fuck did you get that from Fugazi? I'm not doing a name drop but I've been to a bar with Fugazi. They're regular guys, some of whom don't drink. I never get that I can't drink from their music or that I am somehow not allowed to do things. Apart from maybe beating up a gay person in a park but I would say that's something of a given that that's 'bad'.
And if someone wants to police their own show in order to make sure everyone in there has the best time they possibly can without people acting like they're on MTV then more power to them.

various live show quotes and various interviews and various books such as 'are band could be your life' or whatever its called, is where the fuck i got that from. but i guess i havent been to the pub with them so who knows.

i have read all those interviews too and i never felt alienated. sounds like your ego is sore. i want to live in a society where artists feel free to speak the truth without regard to old standards (i.e. "don't bully me, i'm punk rock."). \
ian mackaye grew up and moved on from the minor threat days. it's all right there in the music. you don't have to assume anything.

mackaye wrote:Go where you think you wanna go
Do everything you were sent here for
Fire at will if you hear that call
Touch your hand to the wall at night

sounds like an advocate for personal freedom and responsibility. if that's all it takes to kill punk rock, RIP.

Please post the songs or interviews whereby any member of Fugazi from 1987-Present has made explicit comments that people should not drink or take drugs.

I would have thought that everyone knew that the lyrics to the Minor Threat song 'Straight Edge' were personal to Ian Mackaye. Also, in the lyrics to 'Out of Step', the implied 'I' was added to the lyric sheet at the request of the rest of the group -

Ian Mackaye wrote:(I) Don't smoke
Don't drink
Don't fuck

Also, remember this was written when Mackaye was a lot, lot younger and I'm sure this was highly relevant to his life at that age. People change as they get older. I doubt anyone here would want to be permanently linked to words they wrote when they were a teenager. Especially when it has been misconstrued and blown out of proportion a million times since then.

I know it's scarcely relevant anymore, but Mackaye's personalisation of hardcore punk during the political era was a brave stab in the dark. To suggest that he's generalising is to heroically miss the point and do him an injustice.

The most patronising thing about Fugazi lyrics is their "whole cloth" philosophy, that we're supposed to adapt their words to our lives. But whatever, in the index of political rock band sins it is very, very minor.

Minotaur029 wrote:I never was able to see a live show of either group, though. Despite this, I can't imagine that Fugazi could possibly have been more intense than the Jesus Lizard on stage (at least during TJL's prime years).

Jesus Lizard by a long way.

I didn't get the chance to see either, but going by the records, Fugazi moves me a million times more than TJL. Fugazi's music constantly shifts and had such great dynamics, plus Ian and Guy singing gave the music more of a personality.

Fugazi by a million miles.

only here wrote:

holmes wrote:

honeyisfunny wrote:

holmes wrote:im talking about all that DONT drink DONT smoke. its not that they just say they arent into it - that would be fine, in fact id give them major props. they go as far as to almost alienate you from their scene if you do. thats utter bullshit man. this is fucking punk rock - its for all different types of people. fair enough if you dont want drink or smokes at your, gig thats fine fine too. but to alienate people for wanting to buy that shit in their own time, and forcing that way of life on your (not all the time but often) very damaged-impressionable-young-probably-bullied fan base is bullshit. That side i am not debating the many other actually great things they have done at all.

im with bradley on this one.

Where the fuck did you get that from Fugazi? I'm not doing a name drop but I've been to a bar with Fugazi. They're regular guys, some of whom don't drink. I never get that I can't drink from their music or that I am somehow not allowed to do things. Apart from maybe beating up a gay person in a park but I would say that's something of a given that that's 'bad'.
And if someone wants to police their own show in order to make sure everyone in there has the best time they possibly can without people acting like they're on MTV then more power to them.

various live show quotes and various interviews and various books such as 'are band could be your life' or whatever its called, is where the fuck i got that from. but i guess i havent been to the pub with them so who knows.

i have read all those interviews too and i never felt alienated. sounds like your ego is sore. i want to live in a society where artists feel free to speak the truth without regard to old standards (i.e. "don't bully me, i'm punk rock."). \
ian mackaye grew up and moved on from the minor threat days. it's all right there in the music. you don't have to assume anything.

mackaye wrote:Go where you think you wanna go
Do everything you were sent here for
Fire at will if you hear that call
Touch your hand to the wall at night

sounds like an advocate for personal freedom and responsibility. if that's all it takes to kill punk rock, RIP.

with a message like that, good natured as it is, youve completly messed my point - congratulations.