simmo wrote:Also, does it sound like it's being narrated by Marvin The Paranoid Android from the radio series of The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy on your computer, or is it just mine?
Mine too...
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31Mine too...
Mine too...
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32That quote is a magnificent specimen. I am pretty sure that the author was expressing his sincere beliefs. I imagine that he wrote that with a Charles 'n' Di mug by his mousepad and a yellowing Page 3 cut-out of Samantha Fox framed above his wankstation.
Gib Opi kein Opium, denn Opium bringt Opi um!
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33I'm not sure, it's the LMFAO bit that makes me suspect it of being phony...
Rick - again, people really weren't all that placid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9vLczx ... re=related
Rick - again, people really weren't all that placid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9vLczx ... re=related
Rick Reuben wrote:He went to bed about a decade ago, or whenever he sold his soul to the bankers and the elites.daniel robert chapman wrote:I think he's gone to bed, Rick.
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34simmo wrote:I'm not sure, it's the LMFAO bit that makes me suspect it of being phony...
Rick - again, people really weren't all that placid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9vLczx ... re=related
I was there, and it was massive. We came down from Manchester by coach, and the motorways and service stations were heaving with people doing the same. It was by far the broadest cross-section of the UK population I've ever seen on a demo - there were loads of "Tories Against The Poll Tax", WI groups, even "Bikers Against The Poll Tax". It was also one of the most good-humoured marches I've witnessed - until the end.
I was stood on the north side of Trafalgar Sq when the horses charged - not that close to it, but it was still fucking scary being in that big a crowd with people scrabbling to get out of the way of cavalry charges.
yaledelay wrote:FUCK YOU APPLE PIE you are a old man...
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35Rick Reuben wrote:They were up against market forces that were beyond their control....floog wrote:my mum's stock response is: "You don't remember what it was like in the 1970s when Labour were in power".
I'm not going to get into a big debate about this (I'll lose), but I'm not sure you can analyse the shift in purely economic terms. I'm not sure my parents saw it in purely economic terms, although "economics" (personal/family, national, international) will have played its part to a greater or lesser degree.
Without having lived through those years, I'm not sure you can fully comprehend the full impact. No number of pie-charts will properly communicate the sense of systematic community and social dismantlement that ensued, or how the British sensibility responded to it. Well-established government supported industries/companies from the Milk Marketing Board to the NHS, through the railways and car manufacturing came under immediate "free-market" attack. It's one of the things that makes me so angry now - my mum's generation are the first to complain about the current state of things (albeit in a very "Daily Mail" fashion) without recognising the part they played in it (unwittingly or not) all those years ago, when they were my age.
Out of interest, how many state-owned, government controlled industries were around in the US in the 1970s? Few, I imagine, as the US has always been based on free-market principles, whereas the European approach always had a greater "social" bearing, leading to more government involvement in industry, utilities, and so on. Once Thatcher felt that manufacturing was dead in this country, there was no going back and the US model was our pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Half-hearted, no-researched, hit-and-miss response, Rick. I'm relying on you to provide the research to refute/support as necessary, in a good natured fashion.
"Whenever the words 'art' and 'rock' have come together, I make my excuses and leave" - John Peel, 2004
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36Who cares, really? She's an insignificant old woman. Yeah, she played her part in the history of the UK, but that's been done and dusted. As long as history remembers what she and her government did to the UK then that, for me, is good enough.
As a 12 year old I remember being 'excited' that the country got its first woman prime minister. Little did we know. It only took a few years for her policies to begin to affect my family. Repeated redundancy for my father, the psychological affects of which were felt severly (although very well hidden by a my typically Glaswegian parents) by my family.
Fuck the Thatcher era, yeah, but let her see out her years with some level of diginity.
As a 12 year old I remember being 'excited' that the country got its first woman prime minister. Little did we know. It only took a few years for her policies to begin to affect my family. Repeated redundancy for my father, the psychological affects of which were felt severly (although very well hidden by a my typically Glaswegian parents) by my family.
Fuck the Thatcher era, yeah, but let her see out her years with some level of diginity.
gjhardwick wrote:shut up you massive baptist
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37Josef K wrote:Fuck the Thatcher era, yeah, but let her see out her years with some level of diginity.
A whole lot of people were robbed of their dignity during Thatcher's government, and she didn't give a fuck.
Twenty-four hours a week, seven days a month
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38Simmo, your poll tax protesters
and the cowardly miners
with their cowardly woman-folk
are no match for the courage and efficacy of Rick's rock-n-roll message board polemics and chart-posting. On the bright side for Rick, this could be comeback season for Ron Paul!
and the cowardly miners
with their cowardly woman-folk
are no match for the courage and efficacy of Rick's rock-n-roll message board polemics and chart-posting. On the bright side for Rick, this could be comeback season for Ron Paul!
Elvis Costello wrote:I saw a newspaper picture from the political
campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously
in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young child's
face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
coming down on that child's lips
Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the Lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, I'm trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
long enough to savour
That's when they finally put you in the ground
I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down
When England was the whore of the world
Margaret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
the black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn't
haunted by every tiny detail
'Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
all she thought of was betrayal
And now the cynical ones say that it all ends
the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just
squeezed the life from his only son
And how it's only voices in your head and
dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between
justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn't angry with this pitiful
discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up
for punishment
And then expect you to say "Thank you"
straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because you've only got the symptoms, you
haven't got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose head's like a tin-can
filled up with dreams then poured down
the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being
blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame
Well I hope you live long now, I pray the Lord
your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms
and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life
could be so cheap
'Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the
dirt down
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39Rick Reuben wrote:In other words- you don't have a clue how to interpret even simple economic data, so you pretend that it means nothing.floog wrote:Half-hearted, no-researched, hit-and-miss response, Rick.
It was an attempt at humility. Give it a go some time.
You provided the interpretation, and I took time to read it. It was educational. Thanks.
"Whenever the words 'art' and 'rock' have come together, I make my excuses and leave" - John Peel, 2004
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40Rick Reuben wrote:since you're pro-globalist, you probably won't want to do that, Simmo.
Look Rick, I really don't know why I'm bothering to do this, but since when have I ever said I was pro-globalisation? Here are my thouhts from the globalisation thread:
simmo wrote:Of course globalisation could be a good thing. But who's going to turn it in to that? So many checks and measures, and above all so much morality would be needed. A simple proof of the fact that gloablisation is currently failing in benefiting humankind: the fact that people are starving all over the world. Hell, the fact that the third world still exists.
I see the potential of globalisation and the power that it wields - but how does anyone with any desire to use this power positively get in on the deal?
Don't tell me that's pro-globalist.
Rick Reuben wrote:He went to bed about a decade ago, or whenever he sold his soul to the bankers and the elites.daniel robert chapman wrote:I think he's gone to bed, Rick.