Don't ask Rick to qualify his terminology; he can't produce. I encouraged him once to recognize the myriad of interpretations and uses of the word liberal once, and he completely failed to correct his one dimensional mind. But the Wikipedia article is still available on "Liberal" if he ever wants to stick his toe in.

slincire wrote:

Heeby Jeeby wrote:there is no secret grove-in-the-woods, jew-controlled, international secret fucking conspiracy.

Well, there is the Bohemain Grove.

"If I were to choose the speech that gave me the most pleasure and satisfaction in my political career, it would be my Lakeside Speech at the Bohemian Grove in July 1967. Because this speech traditionally was off the record it received no publicity at the time. But in many important ways it marked the first milestone on my road to the presidency." — President Richard Nixon

Supposedly policy is not discussed there, but I somehow doubt this is just a bunch of rich and powerful men blowing off steam.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7705734983

If you have two hours to kill, I reccomend watching this. It was eery watching Alex Jones infiltrate a Bohemian Grove gathering.

Later in the footage it shows the prayer to "Moloch" and supposed faux human sacrifice. It's kind of surreal watch these influential politicians and CEOs dress up in robes and duck out in the woods for a couple weeks.


Cathy O'Brien wrote about her experience at Bohemian Grove. Being pissed on like a urinal by sick men, forced to engage in beastiality enclosed in a plexiglass shell like she was some kind of human decoration.

Here's a link to the book if you want to check it out or just that chapter:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... mation.htm

The chapter with Bohemian Grove details in it and what really happens there is chapter 18: "In the Meantime".

At the end of the Alex Jones doc., the prayer delivered to Moloch is called the "Cremation of Care". After you hear the prayer and read the subtitles you'll see exactly why they would want to dispose of all the care in their world.

Rick Reuben wrote:If you don't vote Democratic in November, that means that you recognize that the system is corrupt and offers false choices. If you don't take the next step and recognize that the elites made all this happen, you're still in your straitjacket- being able to wriggle your fingers a little doesn't mean you're free. My best guess is that you're a sellout liberal who will vote Obama in November, but you're lying about it now.

I'm pretty sure Heeby Jeeby doesn't live in the USA nor is American.

Also, I don't think they have Diebold systems that can understand furners yet.

Rick Reuben wrote:...the Jew owners suck...

Interesting wording. Don't you mean Jewish owners?

Rick Reuben wrote:being able to wriggle your fingers a little doesn't mean you're free.

neither does being free.

I keep seeing "MS Paint Playing Soft with Hillary's Balls"

rick... why the focus on obama's pastor, and not the shady religious advisers of other candidates? (good call on pointing that out)

because, (paraphrasing what i read recently on these boards) obama is only appealing to the mainstream if he can be painted as a black man who is ready and willing to let the US off the hook for its past crimes (many of which are not in the distant past).

going from experience and the people i've known, most black people are not so eager to just "let the US off the hook" in this sense. furthermore, most black people i've known are simply not patriotic. neither am i, but it's even more understandable in their case because they have been categorically wronged by the US.

but as with any nation, a president must be (or at least appear to be) patriotic in order to be elected. such is the way of nationalism. you can't be some kind of level-headed person and approach the population of a country like the USA and say "listen, this country fucked up, bigtime, on many levels in many areas. and as such, i find it very hard to take pride in the nation. but i believe that we can make things right, let's get to it."

this is just one reason that a black presidential candidate is not very electable: i'd imagine that many black people aren't very patriotic. now obama actually seems to be very enthusiastic about america, mostly because he is convinced that he can make something really good (or at least better) out of it. but is it really any surprise that he is around people (his wife, his pastor) who aren't so patriotic, or even (gasp) "anti-american"?

why the focus on obama's pastor, and not the "spiritual advisers" of the other candidates? it's because he's black. no joke, it really is.

wasn't pat fucking robertson the spiritual adviser to bush? at the very least he was close to him. when you have nutcase politicians, their spiritual advisers are even more nuts (though i'd say obama is definitely not a nutcase, and i kind of like what his pastor has to say). even billy graham, who was PC enough to be loved by the mainstream, made all sorts of antisemitic remarks in those tapes with nixon.

i'm sure JFK had some election issues surrounding his spiritual advisers. he was catholic!

Rick Reuben wrote:
Obama does not force liberals to come up with tough answers to tough questions.

well i agree that americans should be asked these tough questions. but i also think obama has the best to offer of any presidential candidate, so i'm not so sure that he should ask those questions, at least not now. if he were to take that approach, during his campaign, it would no longer be feasible to elect him (who knows, it might not be feasible anyhow). i'd like to see him get elected, so i don't mind if he holds off on the tougher questions. at the very least, he must have those questions on his mind, even though he is not about to confront the US population about it. but there's no question in my mind that obama was only able to become so popular because he avoids that sort of confrontation.

Rick Reuben wrote: but if Obama lets them off the hook for current crimes like CIA drugrunning and the destruction of the manufacturing base ( which employed many blacks ) and the private prison industry.

I implore you to find one electable person that would even mention that. Where will you find a commander in chief who wants to spend his days in office going through files and calling up old CIA officials from the Nixon administration days, and challenging them on their crimes. It could definitely stand to happen, but I don't think that kind of reform usually comes from a president.

Oh yeah and Ron Paul is what you call a 'globalist sellout'.

No, I don't. That's what I just told you. But if you read your quote again you will see that is what you suggested.

Read it again.