Vegetarianism?

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n.c. wrote:.

And, yes, humans are naturally herbavores (however th fuck that's spelt), I already addressed that earlier in the thread.

-n


the information you're providing us with is pure trash.
homo sapiens sapiens is omnivorous.
and you know what? human history kinda proves it.
okay, meat can give you cancer, but...

...so what? even some vegetarian recipes can give you cancer.
"polenta", the most diffused northern italian dish (made of just wheat, salt and water) can cause cancer! in-fuckin-credible!

this thing about meat being hurtful and/or extraneous to natural human eating necessities is such a bad joke that even Carlos Mencia would pass on it.

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alex maiolo wrote:
Not to get all Nugent, but as cities take over the country, animals like deer don't get enough to eat, which is probably the cruelest way for them to go. That makes us de facto gamekeepers. I take free venison anytime a good old boy will give it to me. He can't hunt without me, and dig the hell out of his quarry.
That, my friends, is symbiosis.


music and poetry for the mind. thank you, alex bello. un bacio.

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gaetano wrote:
lee wrote: Anyway, cows eat a lot of grain that could feed people.



the amount of food that US citizens throw in the garbage can everyday could feed the whole of Africa for four days straight.


actually, the amount of food that first world countries throw in the garbage can everyday could feed Africa for a whole month.
okay, this is a retarded argument, but it stills gets me thinking we could do much better than arguing over eating meat...
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I have no problem at all with Vegetarianism. NOT CRAP.

Marsupialized wrote:but you know it's a drag. It's just a downer, it's damn near impossible to fully enjoy your meal when the dude next to you is nibbling on crackers and sipping water


I think it is hilarious that in any other instance you wouldn't give a fuck about someone else's choice yet yr actually using someone's diet choice as a reason for being a pouty tablemate. Stop the insidious whining.. Who cares what someone else is eating? They obviously don't care what you are eating or they wouldn't be sitting there.

I've said it before on other PRF forums related to this- this is proof that meat-eaters feel uber-threatened by anyone who doesn't partake.

gaetano wrote:"polenta", the most diffused northern italian dish (made of just wheat, salt and water) can cause cancer! in-fuckin-credible!

this thing about meat being hurtful and/or extraneous to natural human eating necessities is such a bad joke that even Carlos Mencia would pass on it.


I think Polenta is actually cornmeal, not wheat.

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mr.arrison wrote:I have no problem at all with Vegetarianism. NOT CRAP.

Marsupialized wrote:but you know it's a drag. It's just a downer, it's damn near impossible to fully enjoy your meal when the dude next to you is nibbling on crackers and sipping water


I think it is hilarious that in any other instance you wouldn't give a fuck about someone else's choice yet yr actually using someone's diet choice as a reason for being a pouty tablemate. Stop the insidious whining.. Who cares what someone else is eating? They obviously don't care what you are eating or they wouldn't be sitting there.

I've said it before on other PRF forums related to this- this is proof that meat-eaters feel uber-threatened by anyone who doesn't partake.

gaetano wrote:"polenta", the most diffused northern italian dish (made of just wheat, salt and water) can cause cancer! in-fuckin-credible!

this thing about meat being hurtful and/or extraneous to natural human eating necessities is such a bad joke that even Carlos Mencia would pass on it.


I think Polenta is actually cornmeal, not wheat.


farina: how do you translate that in English. please, mr.arrison, help this italian fucker: is "farina" what you call "wheat"? and yellow wheat? is that what you call cornmeal?
scusa, sono un ignorante!

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In my experience I've found arguing and debating the merits of a strictly vegetarian diet often end unproductively in conflict.Generally the discussion creates enough cognitive dissonance for an individual to become uncomfortable and defensive, but not enough for any lasting impact.

Lately I've found its much easier to persuade an individual of the merits of consuming significantly less meat and animal products than it is expound a strict vegetarian viewpoint. This is especially true when meatless or meat-reduced choices are more readily available than ever, and also much more palatable to the average person.

As someone who's been an ovo-vegetarian for some time and researched the subject quite extensively, I don't believe the issue is as black and white health-wise as many vegetarians believe. Vegetarian diets can be just as unhealthy as meat-based diets.

My own conclusions on nutrition lean towards a nutrient density based diet. Meat eating isn't necessarily excluded, and can still be included in moderation, albeit at levels far below that of the average American diet.

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-Joel Fuhrman - Eat to Live http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-930295310466113431
-Nutrient Density Chart: http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article17.aspx (yes, Kale is 'the shit', I was surprised I wasn't aware of it before, but its now my favorite vegetable!)
-The World's Healthiest Foods: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tnam ... ce&dbid=38


While the health implications are enough to convince many people, for me, its the environmental, social and moral implications of factory farming and modern meat production that really tip the scale.

A philosophical examination of the subject which includes both a discussion the roots of the current ecological crises as well as the direct correlation between the increasing role that animal-based, and highly refined, nutrient deficient, food products play in the leading causes of death/disease in 'western', 'industrialized' nations (cancer, heart disease, and stroke etc.), should, at least persuade a few people here be as 'conscious' of their 'taste' in food as they are in their 'taste' in music.

Many perennial, culturally independent 'truisms' and concepts such as: "you are what you eat", "do unto others...", "what goes around, comes around", "as above, so below" and 'karma' etc. become more experientially relevant (at least to me) in a dietary context. It doesn't take a mystic or philosopher to recognize the equilibrium between the pain and suffering inflicted on the billions of slaughtered animals, the wholesale environmental destruction/resource depletion required to sustain 'the modern diet' (the macrocosmic 'cancer' above,) and the microcosmic cancer within. :?

I'll admit there's also a large element of self-preservation at work as well. Without a doubt, one of the most effective ways to extend lifespan is through caloric restriction (CR) and also adequate intake of anti-oxidants, vitamins etc. The research on caloric restriction, anti-oxidants and life extension fits like a hand in a glove with a nutrient density based approach to nutrition as green vegetables being not only being the best source or nutrients, but also extremely low in calories.

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http://www.calorierestriction.org/

Longevity Genes and Caloric restriction
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jul ... ity_02.htm


(this could also fit in the "post while you're drunk thread. :) )
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I had three meaty meals today. First, a tuna sandwich on focaccia washed down with Americano. Lunch was a Mr.Sub (the Canadian Subway) foot-long tuna sub. And finally, a big-ass pastrami and swiss on sourdough washed down with Starbucks. For dessert, I think I'll eat a kitten or maybe a stray infant. I dunno yet.
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