Whoa, cool, Garanimalsl!

enframed wrote:diet plays a much bigger role in overall health than i ever imagined.

Seems natural that drastic dietary changes would be necessary for a GI disease. Diet is critical to overall health, but I don't think dietary modifications for relief of Crohn's is a particularly far-reaching illustration of that.

there's probably something to the PH thing

If you're talking diet and blood pH, no, there's not and there's not a shred of credible evidence to suggest there is.

once you get cancer, are you immunized against cancer? or if you boil the cancer, does it become non-malignant? ..like pasteurizing the cancer

ssakmule wrote:once you get cancer, are you immunized against cancer? or if you boil the cancer, does it become non-malignant?

Nope. You go on to win the Tour de France multiple times.

Ty Webb wrote:

enframed wrote:diet plays a much bigger role in overall health than i ever imagined.

Seems natural that drastic dietary changes would be necessary for a GI disease. Diet is critical to overall health, but I don't think dietary modifications for relief of Crohn's is a particularly far-reaching illustration of that.

you're right, it isn't, but the same diet used for crohn's is used for several other conditions and has been found to work pretty well.

enframed wrote:my son (12) was diagnosed with crohn's a year ago and we cured him by eliminating ALL grains, soy protein, lactose, and most other complex carbs. he was ok with lactose free dairy: home made yogurt and aged cheese (not home made).

diet plays a much bigger role in overall health than i ever imagined.

there's probably something to the PH thing but dietary needs are fairly personal.

That's good that you were able to figure out a diet that worked for him! Where did you get your suggestions for diet, from a doctor or another source? Most folks I talk to who deal with GI issues each have their own dietary nuances, and just tell me "you have to figure out what works for you". Yeah, well its been awhile with both ups and downs, but lately I've found some dietary principles that have definitely alleviated pain.

I have been given steroid prescriptions, PPIs, antibiotics, and quit all that after seeing them fail for several years. I have turned to diet as I believe that diet is essential to curing, not just treating, this illness.

Also, while linking diet to Crohn's may seem like an obvious solution, many folks with GI disorders don't even experience GI symptoms! However, poor GI health has been linked to rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis, and eczema.

I've pissed my cancer away.

unarmedman wrote:

enframed wrote:my son (12) was diagnosed with crohn's a year ago and we cured him by eliminating ALL grains, soy protein, lactose, and most other complex carbs. he was ok with lactose free dairy: home made yogurt and aged cheese (not home made).

diet plays a much bigger role in overall health than i ever imagined.

there's probably something to the PH thing but dietary needs are fairly personal.

That's good that you were able to figure out a diet that worked for him! Where did you get your suggestions for diet, from a doctor or another source? Most folks I talk to who deal with GI issues each have their own dietary nuances, and just tell me "you have to figure out what works for you". Yeah, well its been awhile with both ups and downs, but lately I've found some dietary principles that have definitely alleviated pain.

I have been given steroid prescriptions, PPIs, antibiotics, and quit all that after seeing them fail for several years. I have turned to diet as I believe that diet is essential to curing, not just treating, this illness.

Also, while linking diet to Crohn's may seem like an obvious solution, many folks with GI disorders don't even experience GI symptoms! However, poor GI health has been linked to rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis, and eczema.

found the diet by web search. we got lucky in that our doctors are up on this stuff and told us it was "good science." many doctors don't believe it. the diet is called the "specific carbohydrate diet" or "SCD" for short. there's some info here:

http://www.scdiet.org/1about/scdwhatis.html

start there. if you have any specific question PM me. we've been on it for a year and i've done a lot of research on it. let me know if it works.

Rick Reuben wrote:

Ty Webb wrote:If you're talking diet and blood pH, no, there's not and there's not a shred of credible evidence to suggest there is.

Sure there is. Kidneys filter waste products from your blood, and help maintain the proper pH level of the blood. Obviously, a poor diet contributes to a greater quantity of waste products in the blood. The lungs are the other organs that help correct for pH imbalances in the blood.

I was referring to the original assertion that foods could create substantial changes in blood pH, which is false.

Poor diet can contribute to the impaired basic function of kidneys and other excretory organs, but as I stated before, you have to be in serious crisis for your blood pH to move outside the safe range. Diet alone, especially in the acute setting, will not do this.

Much farther? "Much farther" out of the safe range (which is very small to begin with) and you die quickly.

The body regulates blood pH pretty well except in crisis. Even in chronic disease, blood pH does not change substantially. We're talking minute movements on the pH scale.

The link between blood pH balance and cancer is completely unsupported, and you're talking about causal leaps that are not borne out by evidence.

B&W Hospital wrote:Can Diet Change the pH Balance of the Body?

The body's pH levels may change slightly as a result of eating some foods, but will remain in the tightly held range of 7.35 - 7.45. For instance, some fruits and vegetables as well as dairy products may raise the pH of your urine, whereas meat products and cranberries may lower the pH of your urine. However, even if you eat large quantities of these foods, your blood pH will barely change and only for a short time.

Notice that they say the foods change the pH of your urine. As the other link I posted attests, food can create changes in urinary pH, because that is a direct excretion of compounds absorbed either alimentarily or parenterally. Blood pH is an entirely different matter.

The original post definitely implied that cancer is at least partially due to an "abnormal" blood pH and that the right diet can restore this pH balance. But an abnormal pH kills you. Quickly. And foods do not produce lasting effects on blood pH.

Diet may very well to contribute to cancer risk. Obesity, a result of poor diet, as well as metabolic syndrome, may contribute to cancer risk. But blood pH? No evidence. Free radicals contribute to the risk of certain cancers and antioxidants, present in a healthy diet, protect against free radicals. This stuff appears right on the National Cancer Institute web site. Not only mainstream, but *gasp*, a government body.

The science already says that diet may be important to cancer risk. That evidence is there. What ax are you grinding?