dontfeartheringo wrote:

cesb wrote:
You are one of the people here who I think almost always gets it right. But I gotta disagree with your Ralph Molina assessment, even though you've obviously put more thought into it than I have. I'm pretty much going on "Ragged Glory" on which I feel he eats it. DISTRACTINGLY rickety, not in a good way, though I admit it's endearing to some degree. I get that it's not supposed to be perfect and solid.

Well, is called RAGGED Glory. As in, "Well, that's Crazy Horse, in all its... (cough, cough) uh, ragged glory..."

I have spent a lot more time with Rust Never Sleeps and Live Rust, and I think both of those are amazing records.

Dudes get older. Their chemical intake goes up and down... I'll have to go back and listen to Ragged Glory again and report back.

The Crazy Horse trio is the sum of its parts. Period.

You cannot break any one of those guys apart from it and expect him to be anything special.

It's like taking 2/3 of the letters in a word away and expecting it to mean something. It works sometimes, but not with them.

I am reminded of a long-ago Robt Christgau comment about Billy Talbot, that he could "no more get on the one than lead a gamelan ensemble."

Why does it work when you put them all together? A mystery, and part of why rock music is great.

tmidgett wrote:The Crazy Horse trio is the sum of its parts. Period.

You cannot break any one of those guys apart from it and expect him to be anything special.

It's like taking 2/3 of the letters in a word away and expecting it to mean something. It works sometimes, but not with them.

I am reminded of a long-ago Robt Christgau comment about Billy Talbot, that he could "no more get on the one than lead a gamelan ensemble."

Why does it work when you put them all together? A mystery, and part of why rock music is great.

Yeah, I get what you guys are saying re: Crazy Horse. I really do.
I am more forgiving of shoddy playing by other musicians, because when a drummer in rock band isn't holding down the fort (at least on record, where you don't have any of the other factors that can make a rock performace stand out), I am often unable to appreciate the rest of the equation. I'm just thinking "C'mon now, get it together."

Very funny Christgau quote.

The guy from Boris really isn't very good at all.

The drums in Dragnet are awful, but amazing in the context of the album. The drums in Live at the Witch Trial on the other hand are just awful (that album has the arguably ugliest drum sound ever).

Pavement's Steve West is the most confusingly bad drummer I have ever heard. I just don't get it. On CRCR he's usually artful and energetic, but from Wowee Zowee on he couldn't care less. There's barely a fill on that whole album, and Pavement isn't exactly Evergreen or AC/DC, so they need it. By Brighten the Corners he has forgotten altogether how to play any fill other than a snare roll.

He's so bad on "Stop breathing." If you haven't heard this song, it's a downtempo ballad with arpeggiated guitar. Steve Malkmus is singing these gentle lyrics during the chorus, and out of nowhere Steve West starts playing these ridiculous tom and snare fills at breakneck speed. What is he thinking? Why doesn't someone tell him to stop doing that? Does no one care?

Jujyfruits wrote:The drums in Dragnet are awful, but amazing in the context of the album. The drums in Live at the Witch Trial on the other hand are just awful (that album has the arguably ugliest drum sound ever).

I love the drums on Live at the Witch Trials. Karl Burns fucking kicked ass!

The ugliest drum sound ever? Possibly Green River's Rehab Doll. Holy christ, it is vomitessent. I think Prindle referred to it as "the worst gated drum sound in history," and he's right.

SecondEdition wrote:

Jujyfruits wrote:The drums in Dragnet are awful, but amazing in the context of the album. The drums in Live at the Witch Trial on the other hand are just awful (that album has the arguably ugliest drum sound ever).

I love the drums on Live at the Witch Trials. Karl Burns fucking kicked ass!

The ugliest drum sound ever? Possibly Green River's Rehab Doll. Holy christ, it is vomitessent. I think Prindle referred to it as "the worst gated drum sound in history," and he's right.

I don't know, I swear that the sound of the drums on that first Fall album barely ruins the album for me, making it the only Fall album I don't love.

Jujyfruits wrote:

SecondEdition wrote:

Jujyfruits wrote:The drums in Dragnet are awful, but amazing in the context of the album. The drums in Live at the Witch Trial on the other hand are just awful (that album has the arguably ugliest drum sound ever).

I love the drums on Live at the Witch Trials. Karl Burns fucking kicked ass!

The ugliest drum sound ever? Possibly Green River's Rehab Doll. Holy christ, it is vomitessent. I think Prindle referred to it as "the worst gated drum sound in history," and he's right.

I don't know, I swear that the sound of the drums on that first Fall album barely ruins the album for me, making it the only Fall album I don't love.

with all due respect, you are insane. at the very least temporarily. that is one obnoxiously cool drum sound on that record. just right. & how he manages to play so tight & sloppy, so cromagnon & clever at the same time...simply beautiful.

in fact half of you are insane & the other half of you are incredibly insightful. ahem, when it comes to picking the proper drummers to beat on.

The MayorofRockNRoll wrote:The chick who played drums for Lenny Kravitz

If you're talking about Cindy Blackman, I strongly disagree.

fromthecurve wrote:

The MayorofRockNRoll wrote:The chick who played drums for Lenny Kravitz

If you're talking about Cindy Blackman, I strongly disagree.

Maybe she just sucked with Lenny Kravitz, I dunno...

but c'mon, the drumming on "Are You Gonna Go My Way"?

bad...bad drumming