A world without metaphors would be a world without metaphors.

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:A world without metaphors would be a world without metaphors.

Well played, sir.

lars wrote:

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:A world without metaphors would be a world without metaphors.

Well played, sir.

I was gonna write that. Lame.

This thread was supposed to be about films (and enframed was probably right about me meaning allegories) but I suppose I should have spelled that out. I just didn't think anyone would think I was arguing against metaphors in language.

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:A world without metaphors would be a world without metaphors.

That's pretty succinct. It gets to the heart of the paradoxical nature of metaphor. That's what Nietzsche demonstrates in his writing; he's highly aware of this. He refutes representational metaphor, yet is reliant on beautiful metaphors. He can't escape them, but manages to overcome representation through 'style'.

From The Gay Science:

298:

Sigh - I caught this insight on the wing and quickly took the nearest shoddy words to fasten it lest it fly away from me. And now it has died of these barren words and hangs and flaps in them - and I hardly know anymore, when I look at it, how I could have felt so happy when I caught this bird.

Your metaphors had better be good ones, I guess, if you want them to be adequate to the world.

tmidgett wrote:
The audio metaphors of rock music are distinguished in large part by timbral content. It is not distinguished as much by the melodic or chordal or lyrical content as we tend to assume it is. All that stuff is important, but it's less important in rock music than in any other kind of music.

Are you talking about overtone effects created by a particular guitar model or fuzzboxes and such? That's an interesting insight... that the artistry of rock rests largely in the manipulation of timbre.

I'm not gonna say how that squares with my ideas of about rock's expressive capacities (or lack thereof) but that's a neat observation. Huh.

tocharian wrote:That's an interesting insight... that the artistry of rock rests largely in the manipulation of timbre.

What about the pageantry of roll ?

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:A world without metaphors would be a world without metaphors.

I ran this by an actual philosopher the other day and he said it was indeed correct, or perhaps more correctly: The world without metaphors is just the world.

He also said that mathematics was the only truly non-representational/non-metaphorical language.

Cranius wrote:

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:A world without metaphors would be a world without metaphors.

I ran this by an actual philosopher the other day and he said it was indeed correct, or perhaps more correctly: The world without metaphors is just the world.

He also said that mathematics was the only truly non-representational/non-metaphorical language.

What's that make me . . . a virtual philosopher?