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dontfeartheringo wrote:down in pitch, and I meant to measure in thirds.

My mistake:

13" rack tom: F
14" rack or floor/16" floor: D
16" floor/18" floor: B
18" floor: G

Clearly the work of a drummer....

Lemme try again, see if I can do this without fucking up with the backwards interval counting like I did above:
13" rack tom: F
14" rack or floor/16" floor: C#
16" floor/18" floor: A
18" floor: F
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dontfeartheringo wrote:You guys are going to think I am a lunatic for saying this, but I actually start at the piano if I am in the studio- I tune the top and bottom head of the rack tom to the F above middle C if it's a dark sounding drum, of the F below middle C if it's a really bright sounding drum. I leave the bottom head that pitch and adjust the top head up or down, depending on feel and tone.

Then I just go down the drums in thirds, bottom head first, then top head, then adjust. So, they'd go:

13" rack tom: F
14" rack or floor/16" floor: C
16" floor/18" floor: G
18" floor: D

You get the head on and get it pretty close by feel, then place your finger lightly in the center of the drum (don't press) to get the harmonic tone and tap the head right in front of the tension rod. Match the pitch at each of the tension rods to the pitch of the key on the piano.

I like to keep toms in thirds, but you can do fourths or fifths if you'd like. Just make sure that when you hit them that they have a correct interval and make a little two note chord. That way when you play "Nub" is sounds like Mac's drums.

I like to start the snare drum about half way to "I can't turn this lug any more" and then tighten it up evenly until it sounds right. Unfortunately, this is something i haven't pitched on the piano, so I'll either have to show it to you in the video or you can work it out on your own.


Very Interesting.

I have paid good money to the likes of Ross "the drum doctor" and Gersh from Drum Fetish and my usual tuner/drumer Matt O'Conner and many other tuners and I don't recall seeing any of them tune drums this way.

I would like to experience your strange and exotic drum tuning ways first hand.

I'm really actually jealous that you can tune drums well yourself. I'd like to never have to pay another drum tuner but sadly many drummers can not tune a drum worth shit. And sometimes it money well spent.
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Ross is good enough, he probably doesn't need no pi-anner.

I do it to double check myself before I roll tape on sessions when I have the time and really fresh heads.

It's way easier than you think, once you learn to listen for the fundamental pitch of each lug. I'll be out your way at SOME point with SOME band before the year is over, I would imagine. I'll come to your studio and we'll tune some drums together. Piece of cake, dood.
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dontfeartheringo wrote:Ah, I should have speficied- the MAJOR third interval.

Do it at the piano- it's much easier to see, then. Going down in thirds, it's F - D- B - G

Here's the major third interval, C to E:

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D->F is not a major third, it's a minor third. Same with B->D There has to be at least one or two sharps/flats involved for those intervals.

I wouldnt be at all surprised if I fucked up something in there, but I know that wasnt it.

EDIT: Oh, and I realize that now I am totally picking nits. I mean, you know the notes you want.
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I have to tune the snare top quite tight otherwise I put massive dints in it. Then I tune the response head lower than the top to lose the bing sound and fatten the tone a bit.

the drummer in my main band tunes his rack toms "so they are friends". I guess he is tuning them in some kind of harmonic relationship as well.

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I've tried Drum Dials and that, I can imagine for a touring drummer they must be helpful, if you needed to change a head and weren't able to hear the drum when tuning it. You could use one to get it just about right. But I think you HAVE to tune by ear.

As far as tuning to an actual note, I think this is again subjective, sometimes you do want the drums to be in tune sometimes you don't. If they're not in tune with the music I find they stand out more and the ring of the drums is more audible as it doesn't blend into the music. Sometimes an out of tune floor tom can cause havoc with the bass in a mix.

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replying to the first post of this thread:

There's subjectivity in everything, really. My girl friend says that my guild is brown while I say it's cherry red. I think she's nuts, it's nowhere near brown, but she sees colors differently.

That's why I like to come to this forum. First, I know this forum very well, I've read every possible post in the tech room, I've tried lots of the stuff suggested here and this stuff worked for me. Secondly, this forum is being attended by people who are mostly into the same music and into the same recording techniques and visionary, so I know their tastes, these tastes are pretty much like mine, so I count on the people here.

I know I used a lot of subjective words to describe a certain sound in the thread about breaking in a drumhead, but I knew that the people here would understand me.

Tuning toms with a piano is a good idea. I also tune my toms harmonically, though I don't do it with a piano, I just recognize the intervals, but I'm sure a piano would help. I'm going to try it next time I tune my toms.

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ginandtacos.com wrote:Case in point: last evening a rather dodgy metal act opened (great guys, great at what they do, just not appealing to me). I was impressed by the drummer's snare sound and I asked him how he had the batter tuned - "medium" was the response. While I was setting up my gear I picked up his snare and the batter was tuned tighter than anything short of a parade drum. There was no give whatsoever. The batter head was essentially like a granite countertop. But to him, I suppose that's medium tension.
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I am not a drummer and I am not into metal, but noticed his great snare sound also...
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