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Colonel Panic wrote:Derogatory speech with specific regard to race is grounds for termination in most corporate workplaces ans US laws provide for very harsh penalties against any companies that promote or even tolerate such behavior. You do realize that don't you?


The Code is Almighty just wrote:I would say that any sort of derogatory speech about anyone in the workplace is inappropriate, no matter what it entails, race, gender, work performance, etc.
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Colonel Panic wrote:But specific derogatory talk in the workplace specifically regarding race is prohibited by law.

And there's a good reason for that.


What the hell are you talking about? At what point did this become a discussion about the workplace? Why did you bother to bring it up?

I am agreeing with you that you shouldn't call a person at work a [Nationality] piece of shit. I'm well aware of the workplace discrimination laws and am in favor of them. My point was that, in this context, there was nothing inappropriate about what was said. A racially-derogatory term wasn't used. 'Mexican' isn't a word that's been used by one group to shame another for hundreds of years. The word doesn't have a stigma. I will concede that 'Mexican' could be used in a sort of way, strung along with a series of disparaging words, to be derogatory. My opinion was that this wasn't one of those situations. And all of a sudden you come out of nowhere saying that I'm not fit to work. Why?
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I didn't say you're unfit to work, I said that if you don't understand that distinction then you might not be fit for a position in corporate management.

Of course the word "Mexican" in and of itself is not a derogatory term, it's a nationality.

However when you group it into the phrase "Mexican piece of shit" it becomes an offensive racial slur. It implies that Mexicans are pieces of shit. Ask any Mexican person outside the context of this particular discussion if they'd consider it a racial slur if somebody called them a "Mexican piece of shit".

I'll give you 2 to 1 odds that at least 4 out of 5 of them will say they'd consider it a slur on their heritage.

I'm sure we could find 5 random Mexican people in your neighborhood to ask. If not, we can certainly find them around my place.

You game?
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Colonel Panic wrote:I didn't say you're unfit to work, I said that if you don't understand that distinction then you might not be fit for a position in corporate management.

Of course the word "Mexican" in and of itself is not a derogatory term, it's a nationality.

However when you group it into the phrase "Mexican piece of shit" it becomes an offensive racial slur. It implies that Mexicans are pieces of shit. Ask any Mexican person, outside the context of this particular discussion, if they'd consider it a racial slur if somebody called them a "Mexican piece of shit".

I'll give you 2 to 1 odds that at least 4 out of 5 of them will say they'd consider it a slur on their heritage.

I'm sure we could find 5 random Mexican people in your neighborhood to ask. If not, we can certainly find them around my place.

You game?


Yeah, I'm ready. Let's go ask a bunch of Mexican strangers if Mexican piece of shit is derogatory. You don't think that would be out of context? I do.

Colonel Panic wrote:I'm not disparaging your qualifications. I'm trying to get you to admit that you understand why such talk is considered offensive in our society. I don't believe you don't have a handle on this when you're looking for a job in corporate management.


You added this after my previous post.

I acknowledge that some might consider it offensive, but I don't have to agree with it. All sorts of commentary has been made about how political correctness is hindering how we live. I'd say this is one of those situations. I agree with everything you said in your post that I originally responded to. I just don't think that it applies in this instance. Your point makes it sound as though any time any one mentions nationality, then they're out of line.

I guess I'm trying to say that we need to collectively lighten up a bit. We can't cry bigotry every time you hear a nationality in conversation, or we're never going to get anywhere. I don't care if I'm called a white asshole. I really don't. I'd be more concerned with the 'asshole' part. By constantly tiptoeing, then screaming bloody murder any time a nationality is mentioned in passing as bigotry is only perpetuating the myth. We need to move on.
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The idea is to take the issue outside the context of this forum, where a mutual friend said something in passing that one of us deems to be a slur and one of us deems not to be.

Being that neither of us comes from a background of Mexican heritage, it only seems appropriate that we ask somebody from that community, somebody who has no knowledge of Mandroid or the PRF, whether they would consider it a slur. They're much more likely to answer objectively than any of us would.

I want to reiterate that I'm not saying this in the interest of making anybody feel bad or proving anybody to be racist or anything like that. I just want to dispel this denial that language like that is deeply offensive to an entire nationality of people.

Maybe it's because I know I'm right and I suspect that you know I'm right too, but you're caught up in arguing just for the sake of argument.

And like I said before, I'm not trying to say you're unfit for work. I'm saying that you really do understand the distinction I'm making between invoking a nationality and maligning that nationality, and you just don't want to admit it.

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Had posted the same image earlier when scott, toomanyhelicopters, Tom, Clocker Bob, Rick Reuben were engaging in an intense session of oil wrestling & dirty talk.

Calm down boys, Code is Almighty: Fondle Colonel Panic's prancing boobs.....everything is fine. Horuss is probably enjoying the show while you people textually assault each other. Textual assault is bad.

& I agree with BadComrade. There were numerous occassions in the past to police posts, but singling out someone & starting a thread about it, is strange &.......everyone posting a million sentences, me joining in, totally uncalled for. Luckily it ends here. Marsup, how do you know that a Asian did not steal your car stereo? No thief leaves a visiting card as far as I know.
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