American evangelicals are usually single issue voters. This issue, again, is abortion.

The single issue voters elected Bush twice because over 80% of ALL evangelicals in the US voted for him.

Same issue, different election.

The election was won last night.

In terms of religion, I think single issue voters will increasingly become a thing of the past (you could even say that their existence was something of a liberal misrepresentation, anyway).

I'm not saying that they won't affect Obama, but Democrat single-issuers will wane as the ecumenists wax.

ubercat wrote:The single issue voters elected Bush twice because over 80% of ALL evangelicals in the US voted for him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_of_silence

big_dave wrote:

ubercat wrote:The single issue voters elected Bush twice because over 80% of ALL evangelicals in the US voted for him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_of_silence

I'm pretty sure you just adopted my argument against me. The reason why evangelicals voted in high numbers is because they are towing the 'religious party' line. These are mostly people in fear of being left out of salvation and afraid of being ostracized in the real world.

Small towns in the US are populated primarily by evangelicals and people who claim they're evangelicals so they don't have to swim upsteam (in life). Many of the 'fake' evangelicals are exploiting the close knit nature of small local churches, so they vote accordingly.

And it's so freaking easy to demonize abortion...

McCain won last night. The pulpit is going to be on fire with pro-life rhetoric.

The 'debate' last night was a slaughter. McCain had the hometown advantage and he was fucking on fire. The whole thing was shoot.

Rick Reuben wrote:I think that people, state by state, should determine the abortion laws for their state, and take it out of the federal level, because of the wide difference in religious beliefs depending on which part of the country you are in.

Fair enough. You said it.

But what about poor women who could not afford to raise/care for and love a child, or incest or rape victims? Should they be penalized by not being allowed to have an abortion simply because they happen to reside in Kansas or West Virginia?

"State's Rights: It's like 1860 all over again"

Somewhere around 2007 the clocker bob character was transferred from a decent conspiracy loving kook to an argumentative fascist asshole. I want the old character back!

Rick Reuben wrote:I'm for the simplest arrangement possible- state's rights. I think that people, state by state, should determine the negro laws for their state, and take it out of the federal level

fyp.

Kicking it back to the states is fucking stupid. It criminalizes abortion.

Woman in New Mexico goes to California for a legal abortion. When she returns home to New Mexico, she can be arrested for the 'crime'.

laws are something that should only be there to protect a person from the actions of another person.

Abortion? It effects absolutely nobody but the one woman who decides to get one.

Who are abortion laws protecting? Nobody.

Oh wait, born again cult members think that fetus inside the woman belongs to them for some reason. I see.

Yeah, we should probably make that into law.
Hear that everyone? Some goofy lunatic cult members over here have decided they are gonna need control and ultimate power over what you do with your body. You don't see it as a 'child' till it's born? doesn't matter. They do.
We are just gonna go ahead and make it against the law not to agree with them on this. Everyone cool with that? Yeah, I also wanna warn everyone that this is just the first step here. We are gonna start making laws according to religious people's silly ideas from now on. next step, you are going to have to pray to god in school. I don;t care if you don't believe in god. You better come up with one pretty quick to pray to, I know that much

Obama seems to have gone over well at that "megachurch" in OC, even though he stated clearly that he supports Roe v. Wade.