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doctor\_chumley wrote:Minotaur, thank you for your "real cub fan" appreciation. I would have to say that sox fans have a meathead contingent to it as well, which gives these two team's fans great ammunition to dislike each other.Chris, there is always going to be a thick, meatheaded constituency that supports any sports team, particularly in a city such as Chicago that really cares about sports.That being said, the difference between the two baseball cultures, from the fans to the management, is night and day. With respect to the management all I can cite right now is what Bradley R. Montelbianco once laid on the lot of us regarding the subject (to paraphrase):King BRW Approximately wrote:Unlike the Cubs, there was always a feeling that the White Sox were getting better and improving their club. I have never felt at home at Wrigley Field, and more often than not, when I was there, I was surrounded by yuppies, screaming drunks, or drunk yuppies. Growing up in the northwestern suburbs, the Metra train ride home from the city was perpetually filled with large packs of twenty-something dipshit Cubs fans still yelling and drinking after the game was over. Granted, I grew up in the Cubbie suburbs, but I almost never saw the same behavior from Sox fans on the train. Maybe there would have been obnoxious drunk packs of Sox fans on the train back to the south suburbs, but I wouldn't know. There were plenty of Sox fans out in the NW 'burbs anyway.I have only ever felt at home at Comiskey. The fans there are more often than not as knowledgeable and polite as sports fans can be. I don't often see a lot of broken-legged leaping out onto the field at U.S. Cellular, but this was a common sight for me to see at Wrigley as the '90s progressed. As time has gone on, I haven't seen a lot of perpetual cell phone use at Comiskey, either. One of my hardcore Cub fan friends tells Wrigley phone jockeys to fuck off, leave the stadium, and hit up the bar (as there are plenty of them outside the stadium).If I had come of age in the '80s or the very early '90s, I am guessing that I would have gravitated towards Cubs fandom, but as it stands, the White Sox are the only professional sports team I have ever cared about.*Anyway, I hope the Cubs never win a World Series--not that I wish ill upon them, but I do not think I could abide by another Red Sox-esque club/fanbase in the MLB. Even seeing the "It's Gonna Happen" t-shirts on Abercrombie hold-out bros at the dawn of the 2008 playoffs was too much to bear.*The Montreal Expos being an exception to the rule.
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doctor\_chumley wrote:Also, Andre Dawson. That guy was awesome.My family moved from NW Indiana to Chicagoland when I was not quite four years old. We went to Cubs games for a time. My La Porte, IN grandfather was a die-hard Cubs fan and so was my mother (she later converted).Andre Dawson was the first athlete I ever admired. #9, he was a true badass. I had his Starting Lineup action figure and had his poster framed for my room. I remember my mother taking me to Michael's or some such store to pick out a cheap-ass poster frame in order to keep the man's likeness in "pristine" condition.Around that age, I was interested in baseball teams that seemed a bit more "exotic" like the Expos (a love that never abated) and the Mets. The Cubs, in their pajama-esque uniforms, felt safe. I found them comforting despite the fact that I was rooting for other NL teams. I never had the feeling that they were going to do a damn thing, but I remember feeling as if cheering for the other more exciting NL teams was somehow wrong. I kept this feeling to myself.Like a girlfriend that you know is bad for you, I eventually gravitated to John Franco and Delino DeShields action figures, but those early '90s Cubs...I have very fond memories of those guys. Mark Grace, Dawson, Shawon Dunston, Damon Berryhill, Don Zimmer, Jerome Walton, Greg Maddux, Ryne Sandberg (who my dad caught a foul ball off of at my very first MLB game when I was four or five)...I'll never forget those early ballgames. I'll never forget my grandfather, hooked up to a ventilator in a home that was still trapped in 1967, cursing Shawon Dunston for always swinging at the first pitch.When my dad explained to me that Andre Dawson had bad knees from playing in Montreal for so long (his explanation to a little kid, not mine), it was like telling Kurt Cobain in 1976 that The Beatles had broken up six years prior. I remember that hearing this about Andre Dawson actually hurt my feelings. I felt that I had missed out on something great.Not long after that, I settled into a "sports are stupid" phase until I discovered the White Sox in about 1997. We had gone to see a couple Sox games while they were pretty good in 1993 and 1994, but they always just seemed sort of "dangerous" to me at the time.Salut, Andre Dawson!
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warmowksi wrote:That's just the way it is. Doesn't mean "Cubs fans are racists", but it does mean a random Cubs fan is more likely to like stuff like this: [IMAGE OF OZZIE GUILLEN ON A RIDING MOWER]If you wear a shirt like that or "Horry Kow!!" you're not racist? I mean, "HORRY KOW" complete with an image of an "oriental" Cub. How is that in particular not racist?EDIT: So many "quotes" from me today. I must cut back.
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