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toomanyhelicopters wrote:
spoot wrote:...but I've never heard of someone refusing to loan equipment w/o drink tickets. That is unique and assholish behavior!


yes and no. refusing to loan gear is very common, and i would even say acceptable. nobody is obligated to loan somebody else their guitar amp, especially after the guy just fried his own amp during soundcheck. maybe his speaker cab is showing a load of 1ohm, or a short or something. as soon as he hooks your amp up to his cab, your amp is toast.


I agree.

so while only loaning out gear in exchange for drink tickets is something that i have never heard of before, i think it's actually one step better than the default, which is refusing flat out. and one step worse than the generous thing to do, which is to loan the guy your amp.


I disagree. If you refuse to loan your gear out altogether, it could be for a good reason, like you gave above, rather than plain selfishness. But if you loan it out in exchange for drink tickets, it's not because you are concerned about damage to your amp, it can only because you are selfish. Another aggravating factor is that it's for all the drink tickets. It's not like, I'll do you a solid and you do me one. It's like, I'll do you a solid, but I'll ruin one aspect of your evening. Okay, ruin is a strong word, but if you were looking forward to, let's say, 4 free drinks, 3 is not so bad, but 0 is a real letdown, no? Yes.
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the worst " rock star" attitude by a bill-mate

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I forget about this one...

We played with a Chicago band at the BBC here in Milwaukee once. The singer/guit player in our band uses a Trem-o-verb. The guy in the other band also used a Trem-o-verb. I remember the guys in the other band taling about a missing fuse holder for his amp. Then, when it is time for us to go on, our singer's amp won't go on....hmmmmmmm. I guess our drummer got it back when he teched for them once.....
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I was on a southern mini-tour with Crain in 1990 or 91. At the last minute, we booked a show opening for GG Allin in Knoxville.

Everyone who entered the club, including the other bands, had to sign a waiver releasing the club from any liability. How fucking punk.

During sound check, I was asked if GG Allin could rent my drum set for the show. They offered me 50 bucks, so I said sure. I guess they were too poor/drunk/jacked on PCP to have their own equipment.

While we were playing, half-full beercans started flying out of GG's dressing room at us. Our roadie at the time, John Causey, started throwing them back through the window.

At last, it was time for GG to play. One guy in particular who had been yelling about how GG was his savior and what not, was standing at the front. The first thing that happened when GG came out was he walked over and kicked the guy in the face, sending him reeling backwards, with glasses and fragments of teeth following close behind.

As the show progressed, GG did his usual beat-thecrap-out-of-people, eat-his-own-shit, ram-the-mic-up-his-ass stunts. I felt sorry for the guy mopping up the mess.

After this tremendous display of punk-rock, anti-everything crap, the drummer who used my drums carried on the most mundane conversation about Sabian cymbals with me, as if none of it ever happened. Fucking punk rock, man.
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I've told stories about this show before, i think, but mostly in the context of "we crashed at My Chemical Romance's practice space" and not in the context of the show itself. Although maybe i have? Anyway, here's my tour journal entry about playing a show in Passaic, NJ with Chicago singer-songwriter Michael McDermott. (yeah, us and McDermott on the same bill. Hilarity!)

The Loop Lounge is a cool little hole in the wall in Passaic where the DJs play incredible tunes, the bar is swank as hell, and the sound guy is a rocker named Jeff who wears a Marilyn Manson t-shirt. We get to the club and the only other people there are the opening dude and the other band's (Mike McDermott) MANAGER, this dude who claims Chicago is a great city to play (cuz that's where he's from) but says he constantly has a hard time in Milwaukee. Had i known at the time, i may have said "that's because Milwaukee hates singer-songwriter assholes with frosted hair and loud collars who think having their road manager harass the sound guy constantly makes them a professional, jackass." But i didn't know, so i didn't say.

But yeah. Our friend Mike from Pkids-list showed up and took us out to eat at a local diner while we mused about what the show was going to be like. Mike had gotten us on the show because he knows the owner fairly well and the owner had no idea who these other guys were on the calendar, so he had crossed them off and put us and two other bands on. Then Mike found out that the bands that were crossed out actually HAD to play because they were "big shit" or something, but we were still on. OK, whatever.

Soundguy Jeff gets the business from McDermott's road manager the entire time he's playing...coming over by him and saying shit like "you gotta back off the guitars a bit. OK, bring them up a bit. OK, back off again." Wow. Whenever he'd move away, Jeff, a friend of his, and i would lean into each other and just talk shit. "Hey, could you turn down the suck knob? The suck's a little high." "Hey, i'm just gonna tell you how to do your job, cool?" "Um, could you just play another band's CD over us while we play? That might be for the best." Jeff then informs me that they had a RIDER(!) that included free beer and pizza, a separate room for the band (which would have necessetated building an addition to the bar in this case!), and random other horseshit. Now, what you've gotta understand about this bar is that it's small-scale. You play, you get some drink tickets, you get a cut of the door if anyone comes. That's it. In the case of Mike McDermott, 12 people showed up to see his middle of the road singer-songwriter Not-even-good-enough-to-be-Paul-Westerberg's-shittier-solo-albums bullshit rock, and they were all ON HIS GUEST LIST.

Unreal.

We set up and two notes into our set the McDermott crew is out the door and have left the bar.


There was also a night when some Touch and Go band called The Standard played the same show we did in Bloomington, IN and pulled the "we will decide when we play" schtick, bumping us to the closing slot and giving themselves the money second-last-band slot. Fortunately everyone still stuck around. And dammit, it's good for them that they elected to play before us, because we blew 'em off the fuckin' stage that night. WORD.

One of 'em helped fix choppy's glasses, though, so they're ok.

Edit: Oh yeah, i HAVE told this story before. Eh, whatever, it's a fun story.
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