llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:Wow, you really think Donald Trump saying a bunch of racist shit made immigration a big issue.Two Republican and two Democrat administrations since Reagan. If It has been a big issue, I missed it.

"Discomfort" is different than just not giving a shit. You care. That's fine. What kind of man he is amounts to a complete non-issue for me.Something besides "Completely Stuck In The Mud" being where immigration reform goes? Now, it's at least a "Maybe".Since the Reagan administration, it has been "Yeah, we ain't doing shit with that."I will take "Maybe" things move towards not completely screwed.

Gramsci wrote:I don't get it... why doesn't the US just have a temporary working visa specifically for Mexicans so they can come over and legally do all the jobs Americans seem to not want to do?Also, why do rightwingers bitch about illegals when they are the ones that vastly benefit the most from cheap labour undermining the pay and conditions of local workers? From there, why are "traditional liberals" defending illegal immigration when it is "undermining the pay and conditions of local workers"?Why is immigration such a fucked up backwards issue?Those are three very good questions.

I take a certain amount of fascination at watching a man with zero scruples, zero shame and zero ideas rise to to top of the polls and freak out the establishment republicans. On the other hand, other than being more truculent than the rest of those dumpster fire candidates he isn't too different from them. Scott Walker gets treated like a moderate and an idea man when really all that separates them is one has a potato face and knows how to play nice while fucking people over and the other one has a college degree and wisps of flaxen-colored cotton candy on his dome.

the finger genius wrote:numberthirty wrote:llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:Wow, you really think Donald Trump saying a bunch of racist shit made immigration a big issue.Two Republican and two Democrat administrations since Reagan. If It has been a big issue, I missed it.It's still not a big issue. As soon as which ever dog-brain gets elected, it will go back to being largely ignored.Because... Conservative Tzar's love illegal immigration! Cheap labour to undermine locals and they get to use it to attract conservative racist voters..Everybody wins!What irks me is why the fuck aren't progressives calling bullshit?

Perry: Challenged Trump to "pull up" contest.Carson: Ad where he is playing Operation.

numberthirty wrote:llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:Wow, you really think Donald Trump saying a bunch of racist shit made immigration a big issue.Two Republican and two Democrat administrations since Reagan. If It has been a big issue, I missed it.It's still not a big issue. As soon as which ever dog-brain gets elected, it will go back to being largely ignored.

Gramsci wrote:The "not want" argument is a non starter. Once wages have been undermined to the point of effectively having an internal "Third World" in the labour market refusing labour is simply rational self interest. People in America do boring shitty jobs everyday as boring and shitty as anything a Latino illegal might be doing -I've see these people everyday, when I'm in the US-, only difference is the pay and conditions. I guarantee you Mcdonalds pays more than picking your oranges.Zackly.

Angus Jung wrote:Field work is way, way harder than McDonald's. Exponentially more difficult, taxing work. Not in the same universe.That's not the point. Or in a way, it is the point.if the orange growers paid market rates instead of undercutting their workers by exploiting illegal immigrants, people would be glad to do these jobs. But if you're better off working in a McDonald's, well you'd do that instead wouldn't you?