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by kokorodoko_Archive
total\_douche wrote:I've been struggling with analysis paralysis and guilt; guilt for being attracted to people, mostly. I overanalyze my relationships with people I might consider pursuing, by that I mean the potential power dynamics, whether or not acting on my attraction could be construed as creepy or manipulative, whether it's okay for me to be attracted to anyone at all, whether or not my biological urges are inherently evil, and the only conclusion I can come to is that I'm a piece of shit. At the same time, he-man fag-hatin' gitcherassinthekitchen dudes don't think about it and generally do what they want without thought of repercussion. And most of my feminist friends are dating that kind of dude, their own frustration be damned, but bear in mind that I live in a fairly rural part of the Wisconsin/Minnesota border land, and that's just how most of the dudes are - who am I to judge someone for dating who is available? People's reasons for attraction are complicated, and sometimes I forget that.I don't want to hijack the thread and maybe you consider this played out, but I think this touches on so many important points that I want to say something about it.That kind of self-consciousness, struggle even, that you describe is healthy. Guilt is not. If you have a tendency to overanalyze to begin with it is easy to see how these other things can plant all sorts of anxieties in your head. But this sort of obsessiveness is a problem in itself. I am nowhere near finding a solution to this, just saying they can probably be separated. There is no reason why you couldn't be considerate and conscious and all of that while remaining spontaneous.The rest of your post, and the articles you linked to, tells me that you are asking: What if this is not enough? What if despite my efforts women will still choose the chauvinist guy, and so on? And the answer to all of those should be: So what if? Like, the relationship thing can have numerous explanations. People are not consistent, people are contradictory. Some people end up in abusive relationships over and over, it's not because they want to be abused.But a much more important reason why we should ask so what, is that those are ultimately beside the point. Those kinds of anxieties betray a wish that one's feminism will gain one favour with women. And obviously that is not the reason you should be a feminist, or work on your behaviour in that regard.Now it is not odd why someone thinks like this. As men, we are pretty much schooled to seek the approval of women in everything we do. Your status among other men is dependent upon your status among women, even. A man who is not desired by women is not a complete man.That one is nominally a feminist doesn't mean that the conditioning goes away - the idea of what a man should be, and thus what you feel you have to live up to, continue to hang over your head.In the context of being a feminist though, this shouldn't need to enter into the picture. The expectation, however faint, that what you're doing will bring you extra favour with women is a sure path to catastrophe, and to all kinds of passive-aggressive vileness down the line. Women's liberation is for the sake of women's liberation and nothing more.BUT, this entails changes in one's own behaviour as well. Perhaps only slight, perhaps more radical. For me personally, it was clear early on that feminism offered a means of escape from the masculine straitjacket. HERE however problems begin.Because yeah, should you go down that road, and decide you're no longer going to participate in those stupid rituals and so on, you WILL get shit from men AND women. But once again we're not out to please anyone.Women are going through hell to get to the point where they can live life on their own terms, we shouldn't expect smooth sailing. And it is hard to do alone. Women have succeeded because they banded together. Men who are seeking change in this way should do the same.I have a plan in the works to gather young men together precisely to talk about these things seriously. Sort of like those consciousness-raising groups they had in the '70s. Is it even remotely realistic to think that young men will be willing to be that open with each other? I can hope.It would also be good to have more honest conversations men-to-women about these difficult questions of desire and expectations and those other confusing things.But yeah ha ha, honest conversations? Who am I kidding.