garthplinko wrote:placeholder wrote:We're allowed to discuss it when people who are ostensibly on our side fuck up.Sure. But this: placeholder wrote:Right-winger. CRAP.is not that by a long ways.I mean, the two posts before mine outlined some of it. He's far from the worst but too far to the right for my taste. Will still vote for him if he gets the nomination, obv.

Angus Jung wrote:(If it's Trump vs. Biden I'm leaving that shit blank).JESUS CHRIST!

As usual, Tim is right. One can only hope that those of us on the left will get the petty bickering out of our systems in time to realize as much and bite down on our mouthpieces and vote for whomever the fuck emerges as the front-runner. I don't mean to offend anyone's feelings, but get over it if so. Imagine if Trump wins again. That would suck all the dicks. Let us try to get him out of there, and we can get back to nit picking next time around. Sorry so sloppy.

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:jeff\_fox wrote:llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:It s disappointing how outraged people here get when people say anything that veers outside of an unqualified endorsement of mainstream liberal candidates. Wouldn t you think you d have to make a pretty good case to get anyone to vote for someone who has colluded with conservatives for years?That's an utterly fucking bullshit distillation of what's going on here.And yet here you are, warning away anyone from talking shit on Joe Biden, as if part of defeating Trump and the rest of the conservatives doesn t involve making sure that the same lame multimillionaire candidates aren t ran as the face of the opposition year after year. People have been voting for these jackasses for how long? And they re expecting what results? And we re not supposed to point out that Biden or Buttigieg or Clinton won t cut it why?Dude, don't you know that politics happens once every four years when you drop by the polling station with fingers crossed to vote for whichever millionaire capitalist the Dems nominate for president, and that's how you get the participation sticker that admits you into the moral universe of liberals with full rights to have opinions about things?Clyde wrote:Black voter turnout declined by 7% between 2012 and 2016, the first decrease in 20 years.Reminds me of this post-election 2016 NYT piece:Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn t Vote ” and Don t Regret ItAt Upper Cutz, a bustling [black] barbershop in a green-trimmed wooden house, talk of politics inevitably comes back to one man: Barack Obama. Mr. Obama s elections infused many here with a feeling of connection to national politics they had never before experienced. But their lives have not gotten appreciably better, and sourness has set in. œWe went to the beach, said Maanaan Sabir, 38, owner of the Juice Kitchen, a brightly painted shop a few blocks down West North Avenue, using a metaphor to describe the emotion after Mr. Obama s election. œAnd then eight years happened. All four barbers had voted for Mr. Obama. But only two could muster the enthusiasm to vote this time. And even then, it was a sort of protest. One wrote in Mrs. Clinton s Democratic opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. The other wrote in himself. œI m so numb, said Jahn Toney, 45, who had written in Mr. Sanders. He said no president in his lifetime had done anything to improve the lives of black people, including Mr. Obama, whom he voted for twice. œIt s like I should have known this would happen. We re worse off than before.

Andrew. wrote:Reminds me of this post-election 2016 NYT piece:Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn t Vote ” and Don t Regret ItAt Upper Cutz, a bustling [black] barbershop in a green-trimmed wooden house, talk of politics inevitably comes back to one man: Barack Obama. Mr. Obama s elections infused many here with a feeling of connection to national politics they had never before experienced. But their lives have not gotten appreciably better, and sourness has set in. œWe went to the beach, said Maanaan Sabir, 38, owner of the Juice Kitchen, a brightly painted shop a few blocks down West North Avenue, using a metaphor to describe the emotion after Mr. Obama s election. œAnd then eight years happened. All four barbers had voted for Mr. Obama. But only two could muster the enthusiasm to vote this time. And even then, it was a sort of protest. One wrote in Mrs. Clinton s Democratic opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. The other wrote in himself. œI m so numb, said Jahn Toney, 45, who had written in Mr. Sanders. He said no president in his lifetime had done anything to improve the lives of black people, including Mr. Obama, whom he voted for twice. œIt s like I should have known this would happen. We re worse off than before. Everybody who hasn't read this article should stop and read it before coming back to this thread, seriously. This was a painful read for me when it came out.

DrAwkward wrote:Everybody who hasn't read this article should stop and read it before coming back to this thread, seriously. This was a painful read for me when it came out.I've posted that exact article in places where folks seemed to want to pin the entirety of Clinton's fate in Wisconsin on voter suppression.You get the online equivalent of folks cupping their hands over their ears and singing "La, La, La, La...."

Previously it was a 'presidential exploratory committee'. Don't totally understand the point of that: why not just run and drop out if your campaign is a dud.

jimmy two hands wrote:I saw somewhere that Mayor Pete just formally announced his run this weekend, but I thought he'd already been running for a month or something?yeah, i don't understand these "formal announcements" when by all accounts, the person has been running for months. furthermore, half of this thread is about the potential Biden nomination, but he hasn't announced yet. at what point would it be too late for him to announce?

154 wrote:Previously it was a 'presidential exploratory committee'. Don't totally understand the point of that: why not just run and drop out if your campaign is a dud.It is done primarily for marketing reasons, i.e. it gives you two discrete events that can hit the media and be run through the news cycle. The initial declaration of the exploratory committee establishment also typically gives candidates a fundraising bump and means they can potentially claim that they already have a decent start on building up a war chest when they formally announce their candidacy.

Supposedly a big factor (EDIT: in choice of timing) is fundraising reporting, which is quarterly. It's in the interest of lesser-known candidates to announce towards the beginning of a period (and usually early on) to rack up the numbers for those reports and convince big money donors (or the media) of their potential viability. There is some chance that Biden may have been waiting for the next quarter, to avoid reporting for the first quarter, where he may have ended up with lacklustre numbers had he announced in March or whatever (if he is going to run at all now), but that is of course speculation.