zircona1 wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 3:19 pmI did feel a bit of guilt liking Marilyn Manson's Antichrist Superstar

I think the song "Rock is Dead" rocks. And Marilyn had Tim Sköld from KMFDM playing with him, and Dave Ogilvie of Skinny Puppy co-producing mentioned album. All things very not crap. Also a very real and sharp dude, from what I've seen of him.

I think the team of Ginger/Twiggy (probably the producers too) made an incredible use of space and dynamics on that album. It's the only Manson really worth a listen, the American Family stuff hasn't aged well and everything after Antichrist is horrible and overwrought. But for mersh metal, Antichrist Superstar has a lot to chew on.

I wish Rob Zombie had an album full of "Dragula"s or "Red Red Kroovy"s but alas.

By the way, def feel like Depeche Mode has more indiecred than Duran Duran. Duran Duran was one of those bands that I couldn't imagine someone actually listened to. Like Spandau Ballet.

Not that I have actually heard that much of Duran Duran. I know the hits ("Girls on Film", "Planet Earth"), which suck. But I do like "Hungry Like the Wolf" a lot, so.

Christ, where to begin?

OK, I'll take Haircut 100 for starters. There's a shot of nostalgia in there, I'll admit, but even now, the Pelican West LP is a way better record than it has any right to be. At the time, I remember my young self reading about them in Look-in magazine and being mightily taken with the whole nipple-high-guitars-and-birdshit-highlights look. In retrospect, forty years on, they were clearly shooting for an Orange Juice vibe and just happened upon some chart success along the way. Them's the breaks!

I also have tickets to go see Scritti Politti in September ('Rona permitting), which I bought specifically because they'll be doing Cupid & Psyche '85 in its entirety. No post punk kudos for me, thank you...that shit's all about the Fairlight.

So many

Screeching Weasel
The Vindictives
Big Black

You know, bands like that.

the letter o wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 5:57 pmOK, I'll take Haircut 100 for starters. There's a shot of nostalgia in there, I'll admit, but even now, the Pelican West LP is a way better record than it has any right to be.

Listening now and it's awful. Good one.

My BIG one is not a band but I have to mention it anyway: the TV series 24. Remember that one? That open celebration of authoritarian government released to accompany the terrorist scare. One of the most immoral things ever put on television. But also one with quite a lot of suspense and several interesting storylines (even if none of them are ever really developed enough). Also I'm kind of horrifiedly amused at its sheer uncompromisingness.

None of that can change that it's thoroughly disgusting. But of course I on some level enjoy that kind of disgust as well. But if someone seriously liked the show, and thought Jack Bauer was "cool" and so on (which I remember quite a number of people in my vicinity doing when the show first made the rounds) I don't think I would ever want to talk to them again.

jason_from_volo wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 12:13 pmMaybe not the parts where they had to find something for Kim to do, so they had some sort of wild cat chasing her.

An episode with Kim being chased by a wild cat sounds fun, actually.

jason_from_volo wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 2:17 pm I'm somewhat disappointed that no one has mentioned Styx. I was really hoping there would be a closet Styx fan on here. Listening to my Dad's copy of The Grand Illusion right now and actually enjoying myself.

I guess I just outed myself as a closet Styx fan.

My guilty pleasure song of theirs:

I hate to admit it, but the song Stop! by Jane's Addiction is fun as hell. Normally Jane's Addiction greatly annoys me. The singer is annoying. Been Caught Stealing is one of my least favourite songs. They inspire a similar kind of nausea in me that Red Hot Chili Peppers do.

Even the singing works in this song. I think I like it also because it reminds me of a song by Melt Banana. And one by Refused, probably.