PASTA wrote: It's just straight up puerile crap.

Once again I find myself agreeing with PASTA. Well, maybe not hate it but I've barely laughed the 3 or so times I've sat thru it.

ErickC wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:35 pm

kicker_of_elves wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:07 am

ErickC wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:17 pm Short gear levers. People rave about them, and complain about cars that don't have them, and I'm convinced that 99% of them only drive manual once in a blue moon to make themselves feel cool. For everyday driving, the further away from the wheel it is, the more annoying it is. Sure, let's put necessary controls further away from where my hands are going to be. Why stop there? Why not put the turn signal stalk up in the ceiling?

You a three-on-the-tree kinda guy?

I've never actually driven one, although I bet that would be pretty sweet. I've always driven early/mid 1980s Toyotas with 5 speed floor shifters, but they have nice, tall levers that are the right height and in the right spot. They go into gear with a satisfying "clunk!" and take nearly no effort to move (you can change gears with your index finger). Every time I've been stuck in a modern car I've had to deal with heinously short levers that are wayyyy too far forward in relation to the wheel, and they're just so irritating because you have to force them around and they're placed awkwardly. Like no thought went into the ergonomics at all. I don't understand why people want this. I read car reviews and people complain when cars don't have hilariously short awkwardly placed levers.

A good short shift kit will give you much happiness then. I love me a longer shifter with a really short throw.

My manual experience is split between a 1985 Ford Ranger and a 1992 Nissan NX1600 (2 door Sentra with t-tops, basically). The Ford had a very long shifter, as you'd expect with a pick up's upright seating, and it sucked. Too much leverage for the job. I remember driving around trying to find third, yelling "THIRD? THIRD?" while my passenger helpfully offered "it's in there somewhere".

I haven't driven these modern cars with the allegedly tiny shifter, but maybe you just need different seat and steering wheel positions. Can you even get a real manual with a clutch any more? I thought it was all semi-automatic now, so to speak.

Anyway, driving is awful. I can drive stick fine, but engaging more closely with the horrible act of driving has no appeal for me. If I have to drive, give me a pillowy grandma sedan. Get me as far away from the experience as possible.

My confession: the comedy of George Carlin. He seemed like a well-informed person. I just never found him funny.

How could I forget Withnail and fucking I?

ErickC wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:35 pm

kicker_of_elves wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:07 am

ErickC wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:17 pm Short gear levers. People rave about them, and complain about cars that don't have them, and I'm convinced that 99% of them only drive manual once in a blue moon to make themselves feel cool. For everyday driving, the further away from the wheel it is, the more annoying it is. Sure, let's put necessary controls further away from where my hands are going to be. Why stop there? Why not put the turn signal stalk up in the ceiling?

You a three-on-the-tree kinda guy?

I've never actually driven one, although I bet that would be pretty sweet. I've always driven early/mid 1980s Toyotas with 5 speed floor shifters, but they have nice, tall levers that are the right height and in the right spot. They go into gear with a satisfying "clunk!" and take nearly no effort to move (you can change gears with your index finger). Every time I've been stuck in a modern car I've had to deal with heinously short levers that are wayyyy too far forward in relation to the wheel, and they're just so irritating because you have to force them around and they're placed awkwardly. Like no thought went into the ergonomics at all. I don't understand why people want this. I read car reviews and people complain when cars don't have hilariously short awkwardly placed levers.

Until my last ride, most of my cars have been manuals. The control you get from a stick can't be beat. Plus they're easier to fix than automatics. The potential for an automatic transmission to turn into a husk of expensive hot slag should be enough to deter most folks. I had a Nissan Cube with a 6-speed that I adored. It was a weird, quirky car but that stick gave it so much zip. Plus I put almost 260,000 on it until I got rear-ended in stopped traffic on I-94. I miss that car. My 1950 Ford has a Borg/Warner R10 O/D transmission, which is a three on the tree with a solenoid activated "4th" gear. When you get the RPMs up to about 2500/2700 in third, you let off the gas and it drops into a road gear. My 65 has a straight up 3 on the tree with a 289, and it's really torque-y right off the line for a giant lead sled. My daily is a 2002 Dodge Dakota with an AT, and it feels like I'm driving a cow.

penningtron wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:14 pm

PASTA wrote: It's just straight up puerile crap.

Once again I find myself agreeing with PASTA. Well, maybe not hate it but I've barely laughed the 3 or so times I've sat thru it.

Because I love this movie so much (and because I'm curious) what would you both say is the funniest movie you can think of that is also visually/stylistically interesting? Dr Strangelove, Young Frankenstein, and Blazing Saddles come to mind immediately, but I'm hoping you mention something I hadn't thought of already.

tommy wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:54 am Because I love this movie so much (and because I'm curious) what would you both say is the funniest movie you can think of that is also visually/stylistically interesting? Dr Strangelove, Young Frankenstein, and Blazing Saddles come to mind immediately, but I'm hoping you mention something I hadn't thought of already.

hmmm, maybe not ROFL funny but something like Delicatessen? Early Wes Anderson stuff maybe counts as well, before he went full on twee.

I love most things Mel Brooks but don't really think of it as 'stylish'.

penningtron wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:14 pm

PASTA wrote: It's just straight up puerile crap.

Once again I find myself agreeing with PASTA. Well, maybe not hate it but I've barely laughed the 3 or so times I've sat thru it.

I've never laughed the three times I've watched this insufferable movie. The last viewing was in 2006 after T&G 25. Had friends over, figured I'd give it one more try as I didn't want to be a killjoy, plus I also thought maybe something would catch since I was riding on a high from the weekend. Nope. Hate it.

Also strongly dislike Near Dark and Haute Tension. Fuck both of those movies.

And though I'm 99.9% sure this isn't the community for it but I've had it with Lil Nas X. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I'm just a dick. Dude's music is no bueno. I'm sure he's a lovely person.

Oh, Idiocracy is something I should've loved, but I hardly laughed.

I know it's got it's fans, I'm not one of them.

tommy wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:54 am Because I love this movie so much (and because I'm curious) what would you both say is the funniest movie you can think of that is also visually/stylistically interesting?

This question is why Roy Andersson exists.