AdamN wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:40 pm DIsh!

I still listen to Amebix, even though I just stumbled upon Rob Miller's Holocaust denialism through his current band, Tau Cross. He's really aggressively stupid on Facebook as well, saying people who get the vaccine are sheep. Wow, so clever, never heard that one before! It seems like with certain punks that felt like they were at the vanguard of something back in the day, they're now trying hard to convince themselves and others that they still see things that others don't. So annoying.
https://www.brooklynvegan.com/tau-cross ... d-menuhin/
https://www.noecho.net/features/rob-mil ... -holocaust

Always that extra bit depressing when they fall off the edge leftwards. What an absolute div.

octoberallover wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:13 am Ik right? Please tell me 90s men know how to act better than Diplo.

And it’s not just one. Sadly.

Sadly there have been PRF contributors over the years (often musicians themselves as well) that fall under that description. Or another variation is the super 'woke' dude/ally-type who turns out to have been really shitty to his ex partners.

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lol! thanks but it’s really not. I often check who my favs follow to discover new music. If it’s a bunch of random 22 year old egirls from all over the country that gives me pause.

Predatory online behavior is incredibly unoriginal and easy to spot. You see a famous/semi-famous guy in his 40s or 50s liking pics of a fan in her 20s, you visit the girl’s IG page and see photos of them together at a hotel, you see she’s trying to interact with him and he’s ignoring her... And he does this repeatedly.

If on first glance it looks bad, I check to see if it’s REALLY bad. I'd rather not support a predator.

I don’t want to out anyone. I do hope though if you see a musician doing what looks like gross things online, and you have a relationship with that guy, you ask what’s going on. Just acknowledging that something has been seen can be incredibly powerful.

Obviously, to some extent, it depends.

But it usually doesn't affect me so much, no.

Both Jason and Mr. Murphy's posts on the first page of this thread reflect my attitude, more or less.

There are assholes making great art and there is insipid art made by wonderful people. It's better when these things align, but that doesn't always happen.

And I dunno, part of me also wonders if a jerk creating something profound--that's bigger than himself or herself--might be this person's (only?) redeeming quality as a human being.

Or, as Sonic Youth put it, "Kill Yr. Idols."

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:28 am part of me also wonders if a jerk creating something profound--that's bigger than himself or herself--might be this person's (only?) redeeming quality as a human being.

See Mark Kozelek, whose music I love but whom I can no longer support, because he squandered the prestige he earned from Benji on a spree of abusive behavior towards fans who adored him. His art is just not worth some 19-year-old girl's lifelong trauma.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:28 am Obviously, to some extent, it depends.

But it usually doesn't affect me so much, no.

Both Jason and Mr. Murphy's posts on the first page of this thread reflect my attitude, more or less.

There are assholes making great art and there is insipid art made by wonderful people. It's better when these things align, but that doesn't always happen.

And I dunno, part of me also wonders if a jerk creating something profound--that's bigger than himself or herself--might be this person's (only?) redeeming quality as a human being.

Or, as Sonic Youth put it, "Kill Yr. Idols."

This.

I put my thang down, flip it and reverse it.

Are there artists who make mediocre at-best music that you might otherwise not have time for, but behave or act in such a way that you like them enough to give them a listen? I am clearly not the target market for Taylor Swift, but she is really intentional and generous with her philanthropy (plus she puts a bee in Kanye West's bonnet to boot), so I won't switch the station if a T-Swizzle song comes on.

kicker_of_elves wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:16 pm Are there artists who make mediocre at-best music that you might otherwise not have time for, but behave or act in such a way that you like them enough to give them a listen?

Who here doesn't have friends in bands

More seriously I think I like John Legend as a person. I may have checked out more of his music because of that but nope, it's not good music.

jason from volo wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:25 pm
Post-Beatles Paul McCartney.

(ducks for cover)

I find almost all of his post-Beatles stuff unremarkable, but he genuinely seems like a good guy, and it makes it easier for me to listen to his stuff.

I, as always, acknowledge that I could be wrong.

You dis Spies Like Us at your PERIL.

jason from volo wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:33 pm

kicker_of_elves wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:29 pm

jason from volo wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:25 pm
Post-Beatles Paul McCartney.

(ducks for cover)

I find almost all of his post-Beatles stuff unremarkable, but he genuinely seems like a good guy, and it makes it easier for me to listen to his stuff.

I, as always, acknowledge that I could be wrong.

You dis Spies Like Us at your PERIL.

It's difficult to not chuckle at this, which I consider to be a good thing.

Macca's resemblance to a middle aged John Cusack is uncanny.