A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:18 am

enframed wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:14 am Assuming all of those women had no agency is demeaning, and rather sexist.

Many may have had agency. Only they know, with 20/20 hindsight, whether they did or not.

I'm only going off what I read, in which case the agency was entirely with whomever was searching for attractive girls, and handing out the passes. Given that it was his shout who was attractive enough...not sure there's any female agency there. His taste and aesthetics, although granted those could be swayed by him getting some too.

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I think you also have to keep in mind a lot of these girls do have crushes on their favs, do idealize them, do want Damon Albarn to be their be their boyfriend, and do think maybe this is their shot. It just seems kinda shitty to know this and use them for temporary sexual gratification anyway. Lots of bands don't.

I'm sorry but this idea that the typical groupie was this savy, invulnerable conqueresses was a convenient myth created by writers for Rolling Stone and NME, who would also have been backstage.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:18 am

enframed wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:14 am Assuming all of those women had no agency is demeaning, and rather sexist.

Many may have had agency. Only they know, with 20/20 hindsight, whether they did or not.

I'm only going off what I read, in which case the agency was entirely with whomever was searching for attractive girls, and handing out the passes. Given that it was his shout who was attractive enough...not sure there's any female agency there. His taste and aesthetics, although granted those could be swayed by him getting some too.

Entirely? Sure he was in a position of "power" of some sort, not like a boss at a job though, and that does not imply necessarily no agency on the part of those girls. Did not a single one of those girls ever decline the invitation? Ever?

jason from volo wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:13 am One thing that has only gotten a brief mention so far that should be emphasized as potentially being CRAP: seeing your bandmates in compromising positions.

Yeah. Not a mate exactly, but seeing this stuff first hand in the early 2000s when I was playing out more is way different than postulating about the ethics of '70s groupie culture. It was more a feeling of "..really? we're still doing this?", like some dinosaur rock relic that should have gone the way of pyrotechnics.

enframed wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:37 am Entirely? Sure he was in a position of "power" of some sort, not like a boss at a job though, and that does not imply necessarily no agency on the part of those girls. Did not a single one of those girls ever decline the invitation? Ever?

Perhaps, but they couldn't decline without having been offered, was my meaning.

Rocky Rockbottom wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:26 pm

Blur

These were the sad arseholes that bullied Nardwuar in that hotel room clip? Not even going to find a youtube link, shit like that just makes my blood boil.

Seems he invokes these kind of reactions.

Due to his absurd and eccentric style, he has been attacked verbally, physically threatened, and intimidated by people such as Sebastian Bach of Skid Row (who stole Nardwuar's favorite toque), the band Quiet Riot (who chased Nardwuar and crew down the street), Sonic Youth and Dave Rowntree of Blur. Alice Cooper, Henry Rollins, Travis Barker, Lydia Lunch, Harlan Ellison, Beck, Nas, and others have hung up on him or been verbally combative in interviews. Chris Fehn of Slipknot, Kid Cudi and Lil Uzi Vert (lightheartedly) have left midway through an interview........Some interpret his hijinks as intentionally disrespectful, including Nas and pornographer Al Goldstein. Henry Rollins found Nardwuar to be disingenuous, saying "I like the character that you're playing. I like that you can turn it on and off. That's cute."

Back on topic, I think this subject has been covered fairly well in this thread. Just like to add, it's cool when people flip the script like Cynthia Plaster Caster did.

jason from volo wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:02 pm Plus it was like 18 years ago.

FYP.

jason from volo wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:02 pmAnyway, Rowntree said he was coked up, has apologized, and apparently keeps a clip of the video to remind him what an asshole he was.

For some reason this is really good to hear.

Henry Rollins found Nardwuar to be disingenuous, saying "I like the character that you're playing. I like that you can turn it on and off. That's cute."

What a surprise. Sensitive sook Rollins getting riled up by someone who is too punk rock for him.

The "concept" itself is just disgusting, though there are nuances.

That thing of the seventies, much too young girls hanging with wasted rockers... just gross.

On the other hand, grown women offering sex to guys that wouldn't normaly score... I got nothing against that.

If a groupie is a middle-aged person who wants to flirt with me after the show, then I give it a solid NC. Just make sure my girlfriend isn’t around. She’ll kick your ass.

If it’s someone who is angling to sleep with me, then it’s crap, especially if it’s someone under 30. Everyone under 30 looks like a kid to me, these days.

Wishing Jonah was still involved. If there's any thread that could bring him back it'd be this one, especially with the 50/50 split.