Got my first Astra-Zeneca jab in March, and the second one in June.
I realize you can still contract the virus even after you've had both jabs, but vaccination at least protects most recipients from the worst of the symptoms. Sadly the vaccine came too late for my friend James' mother, who went into hospital with pancreatitis just before Christmas, caught Covid whilst on the ward and died.
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92Workers rights include safety for all workers, not the rights to privacy. Like it or not, that’s the way it is. If you’re making a “workers have a right to privacy” argument, then you’re just setting up the already successful counter-argument that the rights of the company and the workforce trump the individual. This is established precedent. Since that argument is already settled, and students and workers can be compelled to be vaxxed per last weeks ruling, then I figured we weren’t discussing that. I wish that your choices didn’t impact others. If the truth were “I only get sick when I am irresponsible and I will have no ability to impact someone else’s life” then you’d have a point. When that is the case, I don’t care what anyone does. However, when choices have material impact on workers health (see smoking/non smoking section case law/my smoking is my choice and doesn’t hurt anyone else) then this shit has already been put to rest.hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:20 amThey're your representatives for bodily autonomy and worker's rights? LOL OKFrankie99 wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:49 amIf we’re just gonna read resuscitations of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz talking points, just quote them straight and help us all out please.hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:47 pm
No lie. It's silly to think the novel coronavirus vaccine is comparable to anything we have experienced in our lifetimes. People are genuinely taking a minute to think things through and that's fine with me.
You are not saying anything I don't already know. I'm just saying it's tone-deaf to require all parents of school children to be vaccinated or fire workers if they don't want to share their medical info while the rest of the world is still playing catch-up. Especially when the vaccine is doing such a great job of preventing deaths.
The rest is just tea-party/libertarian speak for “don’t tread on my bod.” Which, yes, is a RP and TC staple. Waffles for abortion of course. Or police brutality. But those are separate discussions.
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93"taking a minute"hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:47 pm People are genuinely taking a minute to think things through and that's fine with me.
Re: Is anyone here NOT vaccinated yet?
94when trump announced project warp speed 15 months ago it was unimaginable we'd come this far so soon. kamala harris made her case for hesitation. i thought that was reasonable at the time. i would have been happy with 2022. but here we are. this is good news! you still have time to be an early adopter. facts are still coming in for those interested. i may disagree with them but it's not my desire to punish them further.akosinski wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:18 am"taking a minute"hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:47 pm People are genuinely taking a minute to think things through and that's fine with me.
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95there was no ruling and mandatory vaccination is not settled law. barrett just refused to take the case. i think she should have.Frankie99 wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:14 amWorkers rights include safety for all workers, not the rights to privacy. Like it or not, that’s the way it is. If you’re making a “workers have a right to privacy” argument, then you’re just setting up the already successful counter-argument that the rights of the company and the workforce trump the individual. This is established precedent. Since that argument is already settled, and students and workers can be compelled to be vaxxed per last weeks ruling, then I figured we weren’t discussing that. I wish that your choices didn’t impact others. If the truth were “I only get sick when I am irresponsible and I will have no ability to impact someone else’s life” then you’d have a point. When that is the case, I don’t care what anyone does. However, when choices have material impact on workers health (see smoking/non smoking section case law/my smoking is my choice and doesn’t hurt anyone else) then this shit has already been put to rest.hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:20 amThey're your representatives for bodily autonomy and worker's rights? LOL OKFrankie99 wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:49 am
If we’re just gonna read resuscitations of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz talking points, just quote them straight and help us all out please.
The rest is just tea-party/libertarian speak for “don’t tread on my bod.” Which, yes, is a RP and TC staple. Waffles for abortion of course. Or police brutality. But those are separate discussions.
i haven't been paying attention to who's on what side politically. i'm the guy who says let them travel interstate, let their kids go to school, let them adopt, let them go to work in a safe ventilated environment, let them teach our kids, let them cross our borders if they can test negative, let them receive their medical care. all that usual tea party stuff.
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96There was no ruling precisely because it IS settled law. The SCOTUS decided on the matter more than a century ago, and vaccine mandates date back, quite literally, to the Revolutionary War. There is not a speck of legal ambiguity on the issue: vaccine mandates are legal and constitutional. The circuit court case that preceded Barrett’s refusal to hear the appeal was a unanimous decision made by one Bush-appointed judge and two Trump-appointed judges.hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:44 am there was no ruling and mandatory vaccination is not settled law. barrett just refused to take the case. i think she should have.
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97Yes we can get into the details and precedent if you want but my main point is this is not wartime and we are not revolutionary soldiers.Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:09 amThere was no ruling precisely because it IS settled law. The SCOTUS decided on the matter more than a century ago, and vaccine mandates date back, quite literally, to the Revolutionary War. There is not a speck of legal ambiguity on the issue: vaccine mandates are legal and constitutional. The circuit court case that preceded Barrett’s refusal to hear the appeal was a unanimous decision made by one Bush-appointed judge and two Trump-appointed judges.hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:44 am there was no ruling and mandatory vaccination is not settled law. barrett just refused to take the case. i think she should have.
That's not going to stop the lawsuits. Everyone has his own limit on what is and is not an appropriate amount of freedom. Just draw your line. I drew mine.
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98Welcome to the PRF. I'm getting pushback becausejason from volo wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:49 amI understand why there are those who are opposed to your opinions here, but effectively what you are saying is what I said earlier
Each and every one of us who have gotten the vaccine here in the USA have had to (hopefully) read and sign documents where we acknowledge that this stuff is, you know, not approved for general use yet.jason from volo wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:02 pm ^ I'm not necessarily for mandates, but am for making life (a lot) easier for those who choose to vaccinate.
FDA needs to grant general approval first, though. All of that red tape is there for a reason.
We're supposed to trust the FDA. They are the experts. I say let them finish their job. Then let's talk about mandates.
-I dare to ask what the endgame is
-I have some understanding of the minority(?) side's argument
-some of us like to argue
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99The precedent is as old as the country, but the Supreme Court decision was from 1905, not wartime.hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:20 pmYes we can get into the details and precedent if you want but my main point is this is not wartime and we are not revolutionary soldiers.Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:09 amThere was no ruling precisely because it IS settled law. The SCOTUS decided on the matter more than a century ago, and vaccine mandates date back, quite literally, to the Revolutionary War. There is not a speck of legal ambiguity on the issue: vaccine mandates are legal and constitutional. The circuit court case that preceded Barrett’s refusal to hear the appeal was a unanimous decision made by one Bush-appointed judge and two Trump-appointed judges.hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:44 am there was no ruling and mandatory vaccination is not settled law. barrett just refused to take the case. i think she should have.
That's not going to stop the lawsuits. Everyone has his own limit on what is and is not an appropriate amount of freedom. Just draw your line. I drew mine.
I don’t doubt there will be many lawsuits, but they won’t succeed.
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100you're getting pushback because you are the most tiresome devils advocate for every single topic.hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:26 pm Welcome to the PRF. I'm getting pushback because
-I dare to ask what the endgame is
-I have some understanding of the minority(?) side's argument
-we like to argue
i'm just asking questions here, man!
fucking awful.