Y’all ever been in a class where the prof stops calling on the student that keeps bringing up garbage that the rest of the academic community in the field has moved on from? The person with that knowing “they’ll see one day” grin once they realize the prof isn’t allowing that student to keep the rest of the class from learning?
Also, my cancer surviving wife and currently stricken father echo Pasta’s thoughts.
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133Dumb fucks are dumb.
“Well, I’m not an anti-vaxxer or anything. I was just waiting for the FDA to approve the vaccine first. I didn’t want to take anything experimental. I didn’t want to be the government’s guinea pig, and I don’t trust that it’s safe,” he said.
“Well,” I said, “I can pretty much guarantee we would have never met had you gotten vaccinated because you would have never been hospitalized. All of our COVID units are full and every single patient in them is unvaccinated. Numbers don’t lie. The vaccines work.”
This was a common excuse people gave for not getting vaccinated, fearing the vaccine because the Food and Drug Administration had only granted it emergency-use authorization so far, not permanent approval. Yet the treatments he had turned to, antibiotics, monoclonal antibodies and hydroxychloroquine were considered experimental, with mixed evidence to support their use.
gonzochicago wrote: Doubling down on life, I guess you could say.
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134In addition, we take all kinds of fucking drugs off label, all the time, because we’ve seen the results but don’t understand the actual mechanism of action.
People have been SCREAMING about the FDA approval process taking too long for decades, and how our processes don’t mirror that of other developed countries, so now the FDA says “OK, we hear you. This covid shit is important, so we’ll fast track it” and those same anti-government people are now SCREAMING that they want to wait for “proper approval?”
Not buying it. Most of the time now I think people have confused “counter culture” with “counter intuitive.”
IOW, skepticism is good and produces better results. Skepticism in the face of overwhelming convincing evidence is no longer skepticism, but willful obstinance.
Also, “just wait and see” or whatever is the fucking mantra of those without evidence. It’s code for “I’ve got nothing empirical to offer, but I believe all these anecdotes over actual observable, testable facts.” Tomorrow never comes - it remains forever tomorrow.
People have been SCREAMING about the FDA approval process taking too long for decades, and how our processes don’t mirror that of other developed countries, so now the FDA says “OK, we hear you. This covid shit is important, so we’ll fast track it” and those same anti-government people are now SCREAMING that they want to wait for “proper approval?”
Not buying it. Most of the time now I think people have confused “counter culture” with “counter intuitive.”
IOW, skepticism is good and produces better results. Skepticism in the face of overwhelming convincing evidence is no longer skepticism, but willful obstinance.
Also, “just wait and see” or whatever is the fucking mantra of those without evidence. It’s code for “I’ve got nothing empirical to offer, but I believe all these anecdotes over actual observable, testable facts.” Tomorrow never comes - it remains forever tomorrow.
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135“the economist” wrote:Most adults who want the shots already have them, meaning that the unjabbed population is made up largely of anti-vaxxers or the unmotivated. One way to encourage the latter group into getting vaccinated is to offer cash incentives. Several states have done just that, starting with Ohio. On May 12th Mike DeWine, the state governor, announced the launch of the Vax-A-Million programme. Between May 26th and June 23rd individuals who received at least one dose of any covid-19 vaccine could opt into a lottery that would reward five with $1,000,000 each and five youths aged 12-17 with full scholarships to an Ohio public university of their choice. The initiative cost $5,600,000 According to a new study, it averted around $66,000,000 in healthcare costs.
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137Sure, but the distrust is likely not because he is Putin, which your original post implied.
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138Don't let my sarcasm hide the truth.kokorodoko wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:28 amSure, but the distrust is likely not because he is Putin, which your original post implied.
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139I doubt there's any such general consensus. I evaluate the full FDA approval's necessity less on political expediency or motivational power and more on the scientific benefits. More directly: what is a further exercise of the FDA's approval process going to tell us about the vaccines, that the massive numbers of Americans who have already received the vaccine won't tell us? I'm seriously curious about this, not just being rhetorical.jason from volo wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:52 am If the general consensus is that no one gives a shit about the approval (it's not going to convince anyone else to get vaccinated, and it isn't being used to trigger some sort of mandate), then I think we all as a country need to ask ourselves why we're even bothering with the approval at all. Those engineers and scientists could be doing something else right now.
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140The EU Commission has fully approved the vaccines, for what it's worth. I understand the FDA is considered particularly stringent so who knows which of them is ultimately more reliable or whatever, but in their (the Commission's) own words:
"Before being made available for purchase and use, any COVID-19 vaccine candidate needs to meet the rigorous requirements and evidence thresholds of the European Medicines Agency’s scientific assessment to receive market authorisation. These requirements are no different from those for any other vaccine produced and used in the EU."
"Before being made available for purchase and use, any COVID-19 vaccine candidate needs to meet the rigorous requirements and evidence thresholds of the European Medicines Agency’s scientific assessment to receive market authorisation. These requirements are no different from those for any other vaccine produced and used in the EU."
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