I just finished my first lap around my newly acquired DDA DMR12 console, all channels pass signal but 19 of the 48 inputs are having a common issue with Phantom power (the rest seem to be functional). I tested first with a dynamic then with an SDC and the symptoms go like this: Engage Phantom push-button, peak and signlal LEDS lights light up, then go out (pop if gain and fader up), no signal passes, disengage phantom push-button, signal rises and fades, like it's really only working momentarily as the caps drain or something.
Got out the multi-meter to measure voltages. PSU puts out a steady +50VDC (and +/- 18VDC). Good channels measure +48~+50VDC on XLR Pins 2 & 3. Bad channels measure about +30~+32VDC on one or both of XLR pins 2 & 3. Dug up the schematic (down below) and measured a bit more
With the SDC mic connected and the Phantom power engaged, good channels measure a voltage drop of about 7.4VDC across R1 and R2, Bad channels measure a voltage drop of about 18VDC across R1 and R2.
Is C81 leaking maybe? or C1 & C2?
Re: Diagnosing phantom power issue. DDA DMR12
2I did some more measuring and testing and now it seems maybe dirty pots and switches are to blame. Frustrating since I've gone through and thought I cleaned them all pretty thoroughly by now. Taking a break and will come back to this.
Re: Diagnosing phantom power issue. DDA DMR12
3What do you see that makes you suspect the pots and/or switches? The e-caps C1 and C2 should block the +48 from going any further down the signal path. That said, if they were leaking and causing DC to appear on a pot or switch it could cause a scratchy sound when manipulated. Has the board had any recapping done?
If you measure the voltage on a good channel with no mic connected and engage the phantom switch on a bad channel, does it cause a change on the good channel?
If you measure the voltage on a good channel with no mic connected and engage the phantom switch on a bad channel, does it cause a change on the good channel?
Re: Diagnosing phantom power issue. DDA DMR12
4A strong signal from the mic, while turning the gain knob will break through, not always with much clarity, but it will come through a bit, but maybe it's the scenario you describe. Will measure to see if DC is getting through C1 and C2 next chance I get to work on it.
The board hasn't been recapped, but at ~30years of age might be time,
The board hasn't been recapped, but at ~30years of age might be time,
Re: Diagnosing phantom power issue. DDA DMR12
5ok, getting back to it with a clear head, I should've been able to identify the issue, but it was an off day I guess.
Measuring for DC voltage across C! and C2, it's clear they are the problem. Good channels show no DC on the - side of C1 and C2, bad channels measure the same on both sides of C1 and C2. So looks like I'm recapping those to start with.
Measuring phantom on a good channel with no mic connected, and engaging phantom on a bad channel yields no change in DC voltage on the good channel.
C1 and C2 Stock values are 33uf 63V. any reason to change that up? I might go with a higher voltage tolerance since phantom is measuring 50ishV.
Measuring for DC voltage across C! and C2, it's clear they are the problem. Good channels show no DC on the - side of C1 and C2, bad channels measure the same on both sides of C1 and C2. So looks like I'm recapping those to start with.
Measuring phantom on a good channel with no mic connected, and engaging phantom on a bad channel yields no change in DC voltage on the good channel.
C1 and C2 Stock values are 33uf 63V. any reason to change that up? I might go with a higher voltage tolerance since phantom is measuring 50ishV.
Re: Diagnosing phantom power issue. DDA DMR12
6Happy to report that replacing C1 and C2 with new 33uf 100v Panasonic FC caps resolved the phantom power issue. I went ahead and did every channel, except 6 which will get the Neutrik NTM1 input transformers instead once they arrive.
Now the real question: Does the failure of C1 and C2 suggest the need for a full recap or would the phantom caps be expected to go sooner by the nature of their function? And can anyone suggest a good test for whether the caps are problematic besides pulling and measuring them? I get sound through each channel, but haven't had a chance to do any serious listening so I can't say if anything sounds wildly off.
Now the real question: Does the failure of C1 and C2 suggest the need for a full recap or would the phantom caps be expected to go sooner by the nature of their function? And can anyone suggest a good test for whether the caps are problematic besides pulling and measuring them? I get sound through each channel, but haven't had a chance to do any serious listening so I can't say if anything sounds wildly off.
Re: Diagnosing phantom power issue. DDA DMR12
7Decided to go ahead with a full recap. Managed to get everything ordered from Mouser, with only 1 value cap backordered (till Oct supposedly) Should keep me busy for a while.