VaticanShotglass wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:35 am Anyone know a good, succinct write up on just how horse-shit this Andrew Yang guy is?

I somehow have a few friends (one person I kinda keep up with; I don't have friends anymore) who are still excited over this guy. He's not serious. All he has to sell is ego and a veneer and he'll apparently go anywhere to sell it. Anyway, a smart, accessible article would be nice to reference. Good ones on how horrible Elon Musk is are also welcome. I don't have the energy to write things like this myself anymore.

Musk: pro-hydroxychloroquine, plans to move business to Texas right after the anti-abortion law passed, offered to donate hospital ventilators but didn’t.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11 ... llent-year

https://www.inputmag.com/culture/what-t ... -elon-musk

Is the cultural decline of the myth of a benevolent tech mogul a sign that the futurist's hopeful vision is also in decline?

Mickey242 wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 4:01 am Jesus fucking christ can we just not have this thread for fucks sake.

u right; I am out

i asked and if you want to impress the girl some of what andrew yang says is good maybe alittle pro business but universal income he had some good sounding idea maybe but starting his own forward party may not gain traction but he has these bullet points you can find and see if you mostly disagree but he's not the worst guy but he's no a.o.c. like you guys love lol that's as much as i could follow

maybe they'll put it on weekend update.. i have a hard time following politics unless i can see it..otherwise it's like reading about a beauty pagent, you kinda need to see the suit competition to make your informed vote

Here’s my issue with universal income: if you’re going to do something big and disruptive, why not just stop using money for important stuff altogether? Just give everyone food, water, healthcare and housing, because those are too important to trust the market with. You can work and trade to get nonessential consumer goods on top of that if you want. Same level of change to the economy, more quality of life improvement.

^ Do you think that model is similar to contemporary China?

losthighway wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:09 am ^ Do you think that model is similar to contemporary China?

Only in the very general sense of mixing planned and market economics. More like the Scandinavian model, I guess, but focusing on specific essential sectors of the economy and separating them from the markets.

Deng Xiaoping did the same thing but in reverse, privatizing certain industries. Same thing happened in the 20s in the Soviet Union, which Stalin later reversed. But I don’t think you could model a system for the US on either of those.

What I’m saying is, if you’re already talking about a huge change to an economy based on money whose value is completely abstract, and you’re saying this is needed because many people can’t afford certain essentials, why not simply stop using the Monopoly money for those essentials, while keeping it for candy bars, wedding planners, NFTs and such?

Mickey242 wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 4:01 am Jesus fucking christ can we just not have this thread for fucks sake.

There's a place for such things...somewhere...but I can empathize with this.

Oh, that wasn't meant to be flip. It's just that I can empathize with anyone who's tired of political shizz on the internets two years into a pandemic, especially with the hullabaloo now about Trump running again (enough to make one vom). As said, it has its place, perhaps here but definitely elsewhere. And yet I understand anyone who's had his fill. Been there.

Even with troll-induced derailments, the political discourse here is refreshingly superior to most of the internet. Am I covering new territory? Definitely not, but some perennial themes remain relevant and are framed in new ways depending on current events.