penningtron wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:46 am

Garth wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:36 am Drummers, how often do you change your reso heads?

Admittedly for toms and kicks: almost never unless they're damaged or I want to go for something different. For snares I've gotten into the habit of changing more often. My Black Beauty tends to erode heads along the edge anyway, and even if not those 3 mil heads get stretched out fairly quickly. Twice a year is not crazy if it's a snare you play on a lot.

Yeah about the same here. If there's visible damage or I just want to give a drum some love I'll swap heads. I'm sure some folks have anxiety over something they read about the degradation of mylar over time, but I just gave my tom bottom heads a tap and they sound fine and must be 5+ years old.

Utah speaker question. I recently picked up a 78 Deluxe Reverb (more to come on that later). It's got a Vintage 30 in it, and I'd like to try it with something closer to what it would have come with originally. I'm not super picky, I know it could be a CTS or an Oxford or a Utah or whatever, doesn't have to be a perfect era-correct match, just close enough. I've been looking at my options and I obviously don't want to pay more than I have to. I'm seeing some late 60s Utah Bassman speakers that I could get for like half the price of everything else I'm seeing for a Deluxe. The Utah speaker used in the deluxe is smooth on the backplate. The one used in the Bassman has the 3 screws that protrude from the backplate and it looks like the magnet is bigger/deeper. Anyone have experience with these? Would they be similar or would the design be very different, as the Bassman used a closed-back cabinet?

Thanks!

My daughter just started Uni, and happily has also just started a band. I have lent her my old Traynor TS25 for rehearsals, but she finds it very heavy to carry across campus/up and down stairs etc.

Can anybody suggest a light amp (electric guitar) that is loud enough for rehearsal (I doubt it's going to be a full-on LOUD band knowing her) and that does clean/light break-up acceptably?

Ideally something I can buy new so I can get it delivered to her, but used is also an option.

Weight and size are critical. She is a person of smallness.

Thankyou!!

Adam_I_III wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:44 am My daughter just started Uni, and happily has also just started a band. I have lent her my old Traynor TS25 for rehearsals, but she finds it very heavy to carry across campus/up and down stairs etc.

Can anybody suggest a light amp (electric guitar) that is loud enough for rehearsal (I doubt it's going to be a full-on LOUD band knowing her) and that does clean/light break-up acceptably?

Ideally something I can buy new so I can get it delivered to her, but used is also an option.

Weight and size are critical. She is a person of smallness.

Thankyou!!

Some of the newer fender solid state amps are SO loud and SO light.
You can't go wrong.

Tom Wanderer wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:47 am Utah speaker question. I recently picked up a 78 Deluxe Reverb (more to come on that later). It's got a Vintage 30 in it, and I'd like to try it with something closer to what it would have come with originally. I'm not super picky, I know it could be a CTS or an Oxford or a Utah or whatever, doesn't have to be a perfect era-correct match, just close enough. I've been looking at my options and I obviously don't want to pay more than I have to. I'm seeing some late 60s Utah Bassman speakers that I could get for like half the price of everything else I'm seeing for a Deluxe. The Utah speaker used in the deluxe is smooth on the backplate. The one used in the Bassman has the 3 screws that protrude from the backplate and it looks like the magnet is bigger/deeper. Anyone have experience with these? Would they be similar or would the design be very different, as the Bassman used a closed-back cabinet?

Thanks!

I've had basically all of the 60s-70s Fender OEM speakers (Jensen, Oxford, Utah, CTS). Any 60s Jensen C12N is the best sounding of the lot. Followed by a 60s era Oxford equivalent. All of the 70s Fender speakers sound pretty much the same. A little scooped and a little dark. Not hugely efficient. Early 70s round magnet CTS are a little more woody sounding than the rest (a bit more greenback-ish). I've never A/Bed a Utah from a combo against the square magnet ones in a later Bassman cab but they sound similar in my recollection. The Utahs with the orange Fender magnet sticker are the worst sounding of the lot, IMO. Fart-city.

Check craigslist for 70s era Peavey Bandit 1x12 combo amp before they made their own speakers. They are either CTS or Eminence and sound very similar to the Fender speakers. Pull the speaker and shove that Vintage 30 in the Peavey. Win-Win for probably a very similar price to the Utah alone.

Whatever you end up with, that Deluxe is going to sound WAY more scooped than what's in there now.

Adam_I_III wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:44 am My daughter just started Uni, and happily has also just started a band. I have lent her my old Traynor TS25 for rehearsals, but she finds it very heavy to carry across campus/up and down stairs etc.

Can anybody suggest a light amp (electric guitar) that is loud enough for rehearsal (I doubt it's going to be a full-on LOUD band knowing her) and that does clean/light break-up acceptably?

Ideally something I can buy new so I can get it delivered to her, but used is also an option.

Weight and size are critical. She is a person of smallness.

Thankyou!!

tommy wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:33 pm Check craigslist for 70s era Peavey Bandit 1x12 combo amp before they made their own speakers. They are either CTS or Eminence and sound very similar to the Fender speakers. Pull the speaker and shove that Vintage 30 in the Peavey. Win-Win for probably a very similar price to the Utah alone.

Whatever you end up with, that Deluxe is going to sound WAY more scooped than what's in there now.

Thank you for all the info. Ya know, I have a 12" speaker from a 70's Peavey PA 100 combo, square magnet, hanging on my wall. I got really pumped for a second then I realized it's 16 Ohm. Shit. I find it interesting that you say it's going to be MORE scooped without the Vintage 30. I was under the impression that most OEM Fender stuff would be more full range in comparison. Or, I suppose you're saying that with the fuller range the mids won't seem as prominent? That does make sense. I've got an Italian c12n at home, about 15 years old. I'm sure it's not the same as a 60s one, but I'll give it a shot just for fun. I can also get a late 60s-early 70s CTS (ceramic) for about $50, so that wouldn't be too much of an investment. Guess I'll just start with what I've already got at home and go from there.

Tom Wanderer wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:04 pm I find it interesting that you say it's going to be MORE scooped without the Vintage 30. I was under the impression that most OEM Fender stuff would be more full range in comparison. Or, I suppose you're saying that with the fuller range the mids won't seem as prominent? That does make sense.

Vin30 is one of the most mid focused speakers I can think of. They also have a super peaky presence. Most Celestion speakers tend to give a Fender more volume (except for a Green Back) and more mids.

Tom Wanderer wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:04 pm I've got an Italian c12n at home, about 15 years old. I'm sure it's not the same as a 60s one, but I'll give it a shot just for fun.

They sound more nasal than the old ones, but might as well try it. Some people really like them. You can also try that 16 ohm one without trouble. You'll lose a little volume though. Whatever you try, I'd recommend making sure the speaker has a reading on the ohms setting of your multimeter first. If you don't have a meter, try plugging it into a solid state amp first. Worst case scenario you can test the speaker with a nine volt battery for a millisecond to see if the cone moves and makes a sound before hooking it up to the Deluxe.

Anyone know how the power tubes are grouped together in 3s on an SVT-CL? Specifically which 3 go to the Bias 1 adjust and which three go to the Bias 2 adjust?

My guess from the physical layout is that they are grouped 3 in back and 3 in front, with the leftmost starting tubeset going to Bias 1.

tommy wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:03 pm Anyone know how the power tubes are grouped together in 3s on an SVT-CL? Specifically which 3 go to the Bias 1 adjust and which three go to the Bias 2 adjust?

My guess from the physical layout is that they are grouped 3 in back and 3 in front, with the leftmost starting tubeset going to Bias 1.

Never mind. I just noticed in the manual it says: "Bias 1 Control adjusts the three left (as seen from the rear) power tubes. Bias 2 Control adjusts the three right power tubes."

I'm going to trust it unless anyone knows this to be untrue.