ErikG wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:09 pm I’m skipping a family get together because I’m pretty sure at least some of my family aren’t vaccinated. I got a response stating it’s understood, even though the vaccine doesn’t work very well.

Oh really?

I posted this in another thread—age-adjusted hospitalization rates for NYC:
Someone I know from my daughter’s gymnastics team—a dad who works at U of C hospital, although he’s not a doctor—said the same thing is true there. Something like 85% of the patients with Covid did their own research.

handsbloodyhands wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:32 am "Do your own research. I have." With all the other evils and horrors in the world this still ranks right up for inflicting profound sadness upon me.

Doing one's "own research" is code for: watched some videos on YouTube, read some Twitter threads, listened to some podcasts, almost all of which were informed and created by people with no working understanding of the Scientific Method, large sample sizes, and peer-reviewed research.

It would be easy to lay all of the blame here on "stupid Americans," but the fact is, many other countries in the so-called "civilized world" (England, France, Italy, Australia, etc.) have large segments of their populations who reject preventative measures, no matter how vetted they are.

DaveA wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:41 pm
It would be easy to lay all of the blame here on "stupid Americans," but the fact is, many other countries in the so-called "civilized world" (England, France, Italy, Australia, etc.) have large segments of their populations who reject preventative measures, no matter how vetted they are.

Truth

What it does is it nips in the bud the idea that "everything will be better when I move to XXXXX."

Sure, some things might be different, but this is a global problem that affects nearly every country with an internet connection.

If people want to have their "own facts," they'll have their "own facts," whether they're in your modest home town in the Midwest or on the moon.

enframed wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:04 pm I had my third Pfizer shot a couple weeks ago. First two made me feel a little "off" but nothing major. My wife was more adversely (but still not badly) effected by all three. I just had a sore arm after the third.

I have noticed, and I am not the only one, that my body odor has changed since being vaccinated. Of course this could just be due to increased cortisol levels or other stress related factors. In any case, my unscented Tom's of Maine deodorant smells sour now when I use it. Weird. But I have been stressed (we all have) since March 2020.

There is a hilarious Todd Barry bit about Tom's of Maine deodorant. Sometimes my TOM makes me smell way worse than my BO. I had a half used one as a backup that i tried the other day and almost barfed at my odor after an hour or so.

DaveA wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:41 pm

handsbloodyhands wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:32 am "Do your own research. I have." With all the other evils and horrors in the world this still ranks right up for inflicting profound sadness upon me.

Doing one's "own research" is code for: watched some videos on YouTube, read some Twitter threads, listened to some podcasts, almost all of which were informed and created by people with no working understanding of the Scientific Method, large sample sizes, and peer-reviewed research.

It would be easy to lay all of the blame here on "stupid Americans," but the fact is, many other countries in the so-called "civilized world" (England, France, Italy, Australia, etc.) have large segments of their populations who reject preventative measures, no matter how vetted they are.

Exactly. It’s not about your education level. We all do our own research. We just have different sources.

Ryan Zepaltas wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:16 pm

enframed wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:04 pm I had my third Pfizer shot a couple weeks ago. First two made me feel a little "off" but nothing major. My wife was more adversely (but still not badly) effected by all three. I just had a sore arm after the third.

I have noticed, and I am not the only one, that my body odor has changed since being vaccinated. Of course this could just be due to increased cortisol levels or other stress related factors. In any case, my unscented Tom's of Maine deodorant smells sour now when I use it. Weird. But I have been stressed (we all have) since March 2020.

There is a hilarious Todd Barry bit about Tom's of Maine deodorant. Sometimes my TOM makes me smell way worse than my BO. I had a half used one as a backup that i tried the other day and almost barfed at my odor after an hour or so.

Ah yes, it could be that the product changed. It's just that I've been using it for literally decades with the same result....

Sorry if this is irksome to others, but...

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:52 pm Exactly. It’s not about your education level. We all do our own research. We just have different sources.

No, you've missed the point, even though it was spelled out for you. We do not all "do our own research." Unless if everyone but me is secretly a scientist with access to a state of the art lab doing their own clinical trials with large sample sizes and subjecting their findings to deep analysis and peer review. This is not just a question of semantics.

We might all try to "inform ourselves" about the ongoing situation. We might all have our own opinions about any number of things related to COVID-19. But that's not actual research. And depending on who one is, where he's getting his information, and what conclusions he draws, he might not be that informed at all, in the sense that his conclusions are based on the facts.

The facts, as of today, are that vaccines do, have, and will save lives.

DaveA wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:11 pm Sorry if this is irksome to others, but...

No, you've missed the point, even though it was spelled out for you. We do not all "do our own research." Unless if everyone but me is secretly a scientist with access to a state of the art lab doing their own clinical trials with large sample sizes and subjecting their findings to deep analysis and peer review. This is not just a question of semantics.

We might all try to "inform ourselves" about the ongoing situation. We might all have our own opinions about any number of things related to COVID-19. But that's not actual research. And depending on who one is, where he's getting his information, and what conclusions he draws, he might not be that informed at all, in the sense that his conclusions are based on the facts.

The facts, as of today, are that vaccines do, have, and will save lives.

There's no way to "upvote" a comment on this site, but consider this mine. Well put.

DaveA wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:11 pm Sorry if this is irksome to others, but...

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:52 pm Exactly. It’s not about your education level. We all do our own research. We just have different sources.

We do not all "do our own research." Unless if everyone but me is secretly a scientist with access to a state of the art lab doing their own clinical trials with large sample sizes and subjecting their findings to deep analysis and peer review. This is not just a question of semantics.

And even if we take it in the broader, academic, secondary form of research: Are we only talking peer reviewed journals? What's their acceptance rate? When you read publications what are your parameters for statistical analysis, confidence intervals, sample size etc?

That kind of research is very much about your education level. The majority of Americans don't know how to do it. That's the work of someone with a Masters degree, learning from the people mentioned above who have Doctorates. You can't everyman, fucking youtube your way into outsmarting everyone.