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Re: Gear peeves

31 by MoreSpaceEcho
RyanZ wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:19 am relic'ed guitars are definitely one of my pet peeves.
Same. Just let me rant here for a minute....I follow the Fender Custom Shop on IG and every damn day there's a picture of some meticulously crafted, $10,000 strat or tele, lovingly built by a master builder...and they are always relic'd to some degree or another. Almost always, they've sanded off all the finish in the forearm area, in a way that never happens in real life unless you've been playing 5 hour gigs every day for 60 years and have seriously toxic sweat. Which I guess is the whole idea? It's not enough to buy a strat that's an exact copy of a 1962 strat, it's gotta actually look like it's from 1962 and has spent the last 60 years getting beat to shit?

There was one shell pink strat that didn't have the forearm sand but it did have a bunch of nicks and dings in it, and who the fuck thinks that looks better than a smooth finish?

You're already spending a fortune having the FCS build you a guitar (it's $4k for starters), and you want to spend even more having them fuck up the finish?

This is like restoring a vintage car, putting a beautiful shiny new finish on it, then driving it to the mall and spending a couple hours ramming shopping carts into it.

People obviously like relic'd guitars and hey, whatever makes you happy, but I just don't get it.
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Re: Gear peeves

32 by biscuitdough
MoreSpaceEcho wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:13 am
RyanZ wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:19 am relic'ed guitars are definitely one of my pet peeves.
Same. Just let me rant here for a minute....I follow the Fender Custom Shop on IG and every damn day there's a picture of some meticulously crafted, $10,000 strat or tele, lovingly built by a master builder...and they are always relic'd to some degree or another. Almost always, they've sanded off all the finish in the forearm area, in a way that never happens in real life unless you've been playing 5 hour gigs every day for 60 years and have seriously toxic sweat. Which I guess is the whole idea? It's not enough to buy a strat that's an exact copy of a 1962 strat, it's gotta actually look like it's from 1962 and has spent the last 60 years getting beat to shit?

There was one shell pink strat that didn't have the forearm sand but it did have a bunch of nicks and dings in it, and who the fuck thinks that looks better than a smooth finish?

You're already spending a fortune having the FCS build you a guitar (it's $4k for starters), and you want to spend even more having them fuck up the finish?

This is like restoring a vintage car, putting a beautiful shiny new finish on it, then driving it to the mall and spending a couple hours ramming shopping carts into it.

People obviously like relic'd guitars and hey, whatever makes you happy, but I just don't get it.
The relic process sometimes even includes cigarette burns. They never seem to think to add belt buckle scratches to the back, though.

Re: Gear peeves

33 by brephophagist
MoreSpaceEcho wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:13 am it's gotta actually look like it's from 1962 and has spent the last 60 years getting beat to shit?
Buying experience is impossible. Creating the illusion that the impossible is possible is a truly tantalizing and perverse form of consumerism.
People with lots of disposable income tend to be more obvious marks for that sort of thing, in my experience.

Re: Gear peeves

34 by penningtron
RyanZ wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:19 am Does Waves need to email me every single day to tell me they are having a sale of a lifetime?
I've accepted that software is made and maintained by people and can be worth paying for, but yeah: when it's usually $150 except for one day only it's $19.95, THEY'RE the ones devaluing the product and just kinda jerking you around in the process.
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Re: Gear peeves

35 by Owen
MoreSpaceEcho wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:13 am
RyanZ wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:19 am relic'ed guitars are definitely one of my pet peeves.
Same. Just let me rant here for a minute....I follow the Fender Custom Shop on IG and every damn day there's a picture of some meticulously crafted, $10,000 strat or tele, lovingly built by a master builder...and they are always relic'd to some degree or another. Almost always, they've sanded off all the finish in the forearm area, in a way that never happens in real life unless you've been playing 5 hour gigs every day for 60 years and have seriously toxic sweat. Which I guess is the whole idea? It's not enough to buy a strat that's an exact copy of a 1962 strat, it's gotta actually look like it's from 1962 and has spent the last 60 years getting beat to shit?

There was one shell pink strat that didn't have the forearm sand but it did have a bunch of nicks and dings in it, and who the fuck thinks that looks better than a smooth finish?

You're already spending a fortune having the FCS build you a guitar (it's $4k for starters), and you want to spend even more having them fuck up the finish?

This is like restoring a vintage car, putting a beautiful shiny new finish on it, then driving it to the mall and spending a couple hours ramming shopping carts into it.

People obviously like relic'd guitars and hey, whatever makes you happy, but I just don't get it.
It's the same people that buy designer jeans for $5000 that have holes in them and are distressed or a "vintage" Black Flag shirt from Urban Outfitters for $350.

Like you said, people can do what they want, but I like an honest guitar.
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Re: Gear peeves

36 by Dovira
MoreSpaceEcho wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:13 am
RyanZ wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:19 am relic'ed guitars are definitely one of my pet peeves.
Same. Just let me rant here for a minute....I follow the Fender Custom Shop on IG and every damn day there's a picture of some meticulously crafted, $10,000 strat or tele, lovingly built by a master builder...and they are always relic'd to some degree or another. Almost always, they've sanded off all the finish in the forearm area, in a way that never happens in real life unless you've been playing 5 hour gigs every day for 60 years and have seriously toxic sweat. Which I guess is the whole idea? It's not enough to buy a strat that's an exact copy of a 1962 strat, it's gotta actually look like it's from 1962 and has spent the last 60 years getting beat to shit?

There was one shell pink strat that didn't have the forearm sand but it did have a bunch of nicks and dings in it, and who the fuck thinks that looks better than a smooth finish?

You're already spending a fortune having the FCS build you a guitar (it's $4k for starters), and you want to spend even more having them fuck up the finish?

This is like restoring a vintage car, putting a beautiful shiny new finish on it, then driving it to the mall and spending a couple hours ramming shopping carts into it.

People obviously like relic'd guitars and hey, whatever makes you happy, but I just don't get it.
Ah, this is the guitar version of pre-torn jeans.

e: Above poster beat me to it.
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Re: Gear peeves

37 by penningtron
I agree about the Custom Shop guitars with laughably distressed finishes. BUT, I also don't like instruments with thick, sticky polyurethane finishes that'll still look like a fucking Skittle in 500 years. I think it's possible to relic things tastefully, or at least finished in a way that'll break in (the look and feel) more easily and believably.
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Re: Gear peeves

38 by Garth
I used to feel 100% the same way about relic'd instruments (and still would never especially considering they usually cost more than all my instruments put together) but the ONE benefit to a guitar that looks beat to shit is that you CAN beat the shit out of it or at least play it extremely aggressively without worrying about fucking it up as well as have the rest of it "new" quality that you don't have to fuck with hardware or anything. *shrug*

Again, I'm with you all on this, but this one angle at least kinda made a little sense to me - certainly more than the "buying cred" or "mojo" or whatever which is certainly what the blues laywers would be doing. And I have to assume that it's pretty much ALL blues lawyers? Outside of literally ONE friend I have who is a Fano devotee (and where the explanation above comes from) as well as a legit good player I've literally NEVER seen anyone play or buy one - but we know they sell because they keep getting made.

Maybe someone who works or has worked in a music store can shed more light on who's actually buying these fucking things.
penningtron wrote: I think it's possible to relic things tastefully, or at least finished in a way that'll break in (the look and feel) more easily and believably.
Agree with this - a single thin coat of paint or whatever that will "relic itself" should also certainly bring the price point down. Not sure how the boys in marketing could spin this but yeah.

Re: Gear peeves

39 by indiegrab_360
penningtron wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:04 am Drum heads over 20 inches that don't include a beater impact pad. What do you think I'm buying it for.. my 22" rack tom..
Just blew a hole through the 24" kick drum head that came stock with my PDP kit... After about 13 months of playing it WITHOUT an impact pad. $75 later and I have a new Aq Superkick II head, but wondering if the impact pad would've increased the lifespan of the previous head or what... I've never used one actually and been playing drums for over 10 years.

Re: Gear peeves

40 by losthighway
indiegrab_360 wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:02 pm $75 later and I have a new Aq Superkick II head, but wondering if the impact pad would've increased the lifespan of the previous head or what... I've never used one actually and been playing drums for over 10 years.
Yeah, it would. By the idea of someone playing without one is pretty novel at this point, it's kind of cool.
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