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enframed wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:13 am
Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:19 am
enframed wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:15 pm
If I ever have to replace my Dynaudio I would seriously consider those. Not nearly as room dependent, more sensitive, too. Really like those speakers. Congrats.

Oh, and they are really good looking. What color did you choose?
Mine are black. To be honest, I’m not sure if I knew there were other options.

I demoed them against a couple of other speakers (can’t remember which) at similar price points, and all sounded really good. The flexibility re: the room clinched it.

The new amp really makes them shine, too.
They come in blue, grey, white, black.

https://www.shop.us.kef.com/ls50-meta.html

I heard the first generation of these many years ago, I'm sure they made improvements...
The KEF subwoofer that goes with the LS50s is also supposed to be real good. A plus is it is powered, and will remove the low frequencies from the load your main amp is pushing to the LS50s, so you get more headroom and more power for the mids and highs. Yes it is expensive, but for a final system that is full range it is a pretty good deal, and would sound great in a small to medium sized room.

I would also recommend getting the LS50s on some good heavy stands.

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Unfortunately, it would be difficult to accommodate stands in our space. Currently, the speakers sit on a very heavy, custom-built piece of entertainment center furniture. The surface is a solid, two-inch-thick piece of reclaimed wood. We really have no complaints about the sound coming out of the speakers, but I’m curious to know what stands would add and, if it makes a considerable difference, could we work with our existing furniture to close the gap?

I have been tempted by a subwoofer quite a bit. Finding space for one is still a challenge, but still . . .

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twelvepoint wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:17 pm any suggestions for a speaker that's floor standing and has a small footprint? I have a 100w Yamaha receiver (earlier in this thread) and listen to rock on vinyl mostly.

The B&W bookshelf speakers (on stands) I have now don't really cut it when I need some loud shit happening.
I have read good reviews of the Polk floorstanders - I have not heard the newer Polks, but they always had nice tweeters. Not sure how much you are looking to spend, but I think they have some that are around $1000 per pair, which is pretty good. If you have a bit more to spend, I would check out some Dynaudios - I have always liked how they sounded. I just read a review of the Sonus Faber Lumina IIIs that was highly complimentary, they go for about $2000 per pair. Might be worth checking out. Focal also has a bunch of tall skinnys in that price range.

I buy all my stuff used, so I'm probably the wrong guy to ask. Plus I already have my end game speakers and I have not felt the urge to upgrade that end of my system since I went active.

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Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:33 am but I’m curious to know what stands would add and, if it makes a considerable difference, could we work with our existing furniture to close the gap?
Stands do a lot of things - they get the speakers away from room boundaries that can cause unwanted reflections, put the tweeters about ear height, and if you use spikes or other means of firm attachment, good stands can provide a path for low frequency energy to travel away from the box and prevent the box from moving and therefore influencing the performance of the drivers. What you should hear is a sharper clearer sound (not brighter, just clearer) better mid bass definition, and real -the-speakers-disappear- holographic imaging.

You can get some of the benefit by attaching the speakers firmly to whatever they are sitting on. Spikes and steel bolts are best, but most folks don't want to put little holes in the floor, the speakers or the shelf. Try some blu-tack or plumbers putty- a little ball in each corner. It can help couple the speaker box to the shelf. That helps.

Also, with the LS50s being rear ported, I would be hesitant to put them in a closed-back shelf - since the sound coming out of the port is going to bounce around alot. Rear ported speakers are a pain in the ass, frankly - but small ones can have more bass response if you back them up near a wall.

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Thanks, that’s helpful to know!

Presently, they sit on top of the entertainment unit, the backs roughly 10” from the wall and with nothing above them. The height is ear level when we’re sitting on the couch. The speakers came with these foam rings (baffles?) that can be inserted in the rear ports. To my ears, they sound better with the baffle inserts, so I’ve kept them in.

I see that KEF makes a very small but expensive subwoofer, the KC62, that would probably work in our limited space. If I’m able to demo it, and if I like it, that might be an upgrade next year.

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motorbike guy wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:51 am
Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:33 am but I’m curious to know what stands would add and, if it makes a considerable difference, could we work with our existing furniture to close the gap?
Also, with the LS50s being rear ported, I would be hesitant to put them in a closed-back shelf - since the sound coming out of the port is going to bounce around alot. Rear ported speakers are a pain in the ass, frankly - but small ones can have more bass response if you back them up near a wall.
Rear-ported speakers are indeed a PITA. Actually, if I had to replace mine I might go with ports in the front. Definitely makes them a bit less dependent on the room.

Yo, Motorbike, what are some good front-ported bookshelf size speakers?
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enframed wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:03 am
motorbike guy wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:51 am
Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:33 am but I’m curious to know what stands would add and, if it makes a considerable difference, could we work with our existing furniture to close the gap?
Also, with the LS50s being rear ported, I would be hesitant to put them in a closed-back shelf - since the sound coming out of the port is going to bounce around alot. Rear ported speakers are a pain in the ass, frankly - but small ones can have more bass response if you back them up near a wall.
Rear-ported speakers are indeed a PITA. Actually, if I had to replace mine I might go with ports in the front. Definitely makes them a bit less dependent on the room.

Yo, Motorbike, what are some good front-ported bookshelf size speakers?
IANFMMotorbike but I have and enjoy these https://www.elac.com/bookshelf-speakers/debut-2-b6-2/

They're generally well reviewed. They seem to have gone up in price, but there are multiple Debut models, so maybe I'm confused about that.

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enframed wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:03 am

Yo, Motorbike, what are some good front-ported bookshelf size speakers?
Ok, to be clear, I have not heard a lot of small bookshelf speakers. I have heard Paradigm Reference Studio 20s. I bought them for my son. They sound amazing. Front Ported. Generally I have liked the Paradigms that I have heard, nice tweeters, good balance. Nice finishes.

As I mentioned above, I have heard Polks, although not the newest crop. They also have nice tweeters, not too bright, decent midbass, go pretty loud. Some have rear ports, some have front, some have no ports.

I have heard a few different speakers by Totem - usually rear ported unless they are sealed. One in particular stands out; the Totem Mani-2, a small two way sealed box monitor with two woofers in an Isobaric configuration. (look it up) Takes a lot of power but makes amazing bass for a small speaker. Would love to have a pair of those.

I used to own Linn Tukans, which were great. Rear ported though. They needed to be a good 3 feet or so from the wall.

Before the Linn Tukans, I had Boston Acoustics A40s, which are super cheap. Kind of nasty tweeters, and not much bass to speak of, but good midrange and on really good stands that were spiked down, they made some surprisingly fun sounds .

l have heard good things about Elac, ATC, Kudos, KEF, Dali, Sonus Faber, Harbeth, Rogers, Graham, Spendor , Mission, Falcon. Most of these brands have one or more small monitors, some based on the classic BBC LS3/5a design, which is a sealed box, 2 way with usually a 5 or 6 inch woofer, intended for near field monitoring. Some guys swear by this design to the exclusion of all others . I myself need more low end.

My favorite brand, Linn, made a speaker called the Kan for many years. Kans are an interesting speaker, based on the LS3/5a but slightly different. In the right system they can be breathtaking. But feed them a compromised signal or use a less than stellar amp, and they sound like complete garbage. As real monitors should. My actual speakers are like Kans, but with an isobaric (yes that again) woofer setup. Suits me fine and I love them. They are a bitch and a half to drive, and frankly only sound about 60% if run passively.

If you have a little more room - I would suggest other BBC licensed designs, specifically the LS5/9 style - basically your old fashioned 8 inch woofer 2 way. The LS5/9 is a supreme refinement of that design and with good drivers and a decently made crossover, can sound incredible, with life and space and all the good things, plus enough bass to make Neurosis or Kowloon Walled City sound like they should. Of course some of these go for $5000 a pair, so fuck that. Used you can find Spendor BC-1s, Mission 700s, and 770s. You may have to glue the surround back to the woofer, and/or replace a tweeter, but still great value for money.

Take these suggestions, but absolutely listen to as many as you can. No component in your hifi is going to vary as much in voicing and frequency response as your speakers, and they all sound very different. It is next to useless to read a review and try to extrapolate how the same speakers will sound in your room, fed by your amp. Not to mention, we all have different tastes, some people like a more warm, laid back speaker - others want a little sparkle or presence. As you can tell from my list above, I am a huge fan of British speakers. They tend to sound right to me. Other people like JBLs and Klipsch and other American speakers. Some weirdos like Japanese speakers. The ones i have heard sound all wrong to me, but that's just me. Shit, people worship Yamaha NS-10s and those sound like total garbage to me. Depends on what music you like and what sources you have as well.

Try to find a shop that will let you listen to a bunch of things and then try something at home for a few days. Some online shops will even allow you to buy something and send it back within 30 days if you don't like it. Good luck. There is no substitute for doing the work.

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