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motorbike guy wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:40 am
enframed wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:03 am

Yo, Motorbike, what are some good front-ported bookshelf size speakers?
Ok, to be clear, I have not heard a lot of small bookshelf speakers. I have heard Paradigm Reference Studio 20s. I bought them for my son. They sound amazing. Front Ported. Generally I have liked the Paradigms that I have heard, nice tweeters, good balance. Nice finishes.

As I mentioned above, I have heard Polks, although not the newest crop. They also have nice tweeters, not too bright, decent midbass, go pretty loud. Some have rear ports, some have front, some have no ports.

I have heard a few different speakers by Totem - usually rear ported unless they are sealed. One in particular stands out; the Totem Mani-2, a small two way sealed box monitor with two woofers in an Isobaric configuration. (look it up) Takes a lot of power but makes amazing bass for a small speaker. Would love to have a pair of those.

I used to own Linn Tukans, which were great. Rear ported though. They needed to be a good 3 feet or so from the wall.

Before the Linn Tukans, I had Boston Acoustics A40s, which are super cheap. Kind of nasty tweeters, and not much bass to speak of, but good midrange and on really good stands that were spiked down, they made some surprisingly fun sounds .

l have heard good things about Elac, ATC, Kudos, KEF, Dali, Sonus Faber, Harbeth, Rogers, Graham, Spendor , Mission, Falcon. Most of these brands have one or more small monitors, some based on the classic BBC LS3/5a design, which is a sealed box, 2 way with usually a 5 or 6 inch woofer, intended for near field monitoring. Some guys swear by this design to the exclusion of all others . I myself need more low end.

My favorite brand, Linn, made a speaker called the Kan for many years. Kans are an interesting speaker, based on the LS3/5a but slightly different. In the right system they can be breathtaking. But feed them a compromised signal or use a less than stellar amp, and they sound like complete garbage. As real monitors should. My actual speakers are like Kans, but with an isobaric (yes that again) woofer setup. Suits me fine and I love them. They are a bitch and a half to drive, and frankly only sound about 60% if run passively.

If you have a little more room - I would suggest other BBC licensed designs, specifically the LS5/9 style - basically your old fashioned 8 inch woofer 2 way. The LS5/9 is a supreme refinement of that design and with good drivers and a decently made crossover, can sound incredible, with life and space and all the good things, plus enough bass to make Neurosis or Kowloon Walled City sound like they should. Of course some of these go for $5000 a pair, so fuck that. Used you can find Spendor BC-1s, Mission 700s, and 770s. You may have to glue the surround back to the woofer, and/or replace a tweeter, but still great value for money.

Take these suggestions, but absolutely listen to as many as you can. No component in your hifi is going to vary as much in voicing and frequency response as your speakers, and they all sound very different. It is next to useless to read a review and try to extrapolate how the same speakers will sound in your room, fed by your amp. Not to mention, we all have different tastes, some people like a more warm, laid back speaker - others want a little sparkle or presence. As you can tell from my list above, I am a huge fan of British speakers. They tend to sound right to me. Other people like JBLs and Klipsch and other American speakers. Some weirdos like Japanese speakers. The ones i have heard sound all wrong to me, but that's just me. Shit, people worship Yamaha NS-10s and those sound like total garbage to me. Depends on what music you like and what sources you have as well.

Try to find a shop that will let you listen to a bunch of things and then try something at home for a few days. Some online shops will even allow you to buy something and send it back within 30 days if you don't like it. Good luck. There is no substitute for doing the work.
Thank you. Very helpful.
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motorbike guy wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:40 am
enframed wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:03 am

Yo, Motorbike, what are some good front-ported bookshelf size speakers?
Ok, to be clear, I have not heard a lot of small bookshelf speakers. I have heard Paradigm Reference Studio 20s. I bought them for my son. They sound amazing. Front Ported. Generally I have liked the Paradigms that I have heard, nice tweeters, good balance. Nice finishes.

As I mentioned above, I have heard Polks, although not the newest crop. They also have nice tweeters, not too bright, decent midbass, go pretty loud. Some have rear ports, some have front, some have no ports.

I have heard a few different speakers by Totem - usually rear ported unless they are sealed. One in particular stands out; the Totem Mani-2, a small two way sealed box monitor with two woofers in an Isobaric configuration. (look it up) Takes a lot of power but makes amazing bass for a small speaker. Would love to have a pair of those.

I used to own Linn Tukans, which were great. Rear ported though. They needed to be a good 3 feet or so from the wall.

Before the Linn Tukans, I had Boston Acoustics A40s, which are super cheap. Kind of nasty tweeters, and not much bass to speak of, but good midrange and on really good stands that were spiked down, they made some surprisingly fun sounds .

l have heard good things about Elac, ATC, Kudos, KEF, Dali, Sonus Faber, Harbeth, Rogers, Graham, Spendor , Mission, Falcon. Most of these brands have one or more small monitors, some based on the classic BBC LS3/5a design, which is a sealed box, 2 way with usually a 5 or 6 inch woofer, intended for near field monitoring. Some guys swear by this design to the exclusion of all others . I myself need more low end.

My favorite brand, Linn, made a speaker called the Kan for many years. Kans are an interesting speaker, based on the LS3/5a but slightly different. In the right system they can be breathtaking. But feed them a compromised signal or use a less than stellar amp, and they sound like complete garbage. As real monitors should. My actual speakers are like Kans, but with an isobaric (yes that again) woofer setup. Suits me fine and I love them. They are a bitch and a half to drive, and frankly only sound about 60% if run passively.

If you have a little more room - I would suggest other BBC licensed designs, specifically the LS5/9 style - basically your old fashioned 8 inch woofer 2 way. The LS5/9 is a supreme refinement of that design and with good drivers and a decently made crossover, can sound incredible, with life and space and all the good things, plus enough bass to make Neurosis or Kowloon Walled City sound like they should. Of course some of these go for $5000 a pair, so fuck that. Used you can find Spendor BC-1s, Mission 700s, and 770s. You may have to glue the surround back to the woofer, and/or replace a tweeter, but still great value for money.

Take these suggestions, but absolutely listen to as many as you can. No component in your hifi is going to vary as much in voicing and frequency response as your speakers, and they all sound very different. It is next to useless to read a review and try to extrapolate how the same speakers will sound in your room, fed by your amp. Not to mention, we all have different tastes, some people like a more warm, laid back speaker - others want a little sparkle or presence. As you can tell from my list above, I am a huge fan of British speakers. They tend to sound right to me. Other people like JBLs and Klipsch and other American speakers. Some weirdos like Japanese speakers. The ones i have heard sound all wrong to me, but that's just me. Shit, people worship Yamaha NS-10s and those sound like total garbage to me. Depends on what music you like and what sources you have as well.

Try to find a shop that will let you listen to a bunch of things and then try something at home for a few days. Some online shops will even allow you to buy something and send it back within 30 days if you don't like it. Good luck. There is no substitute for doing the work.
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motorbike guy wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:40 am
enframed wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:03 am


I have heard a few different speakers by Totem - usually rear ported unless they are sealed. One in particular stands out; the Totem Mani-2, a small two way sealed box monitor with two woofers in an Isobaric configuration. (look it up) Takes a lot of power but makes amazing bass for a small speaker. Would love to have a pair of those.
For the money Totem bookshelves are the best I have heard. I have a pair of Mites in my home studio and we have Sky and Signature One's at work and all are phenomenal. Mites have been disco'd, but you can find them for reasonable prices on used sites.
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Over the weekend, my son and I went to Axpona. Some observations:

* We skipped the rooms and demos dedicated to cables, power cords, and other snakey, oily stuff like that. Same goes for DACs, as I’ve heard that there’s a fair amount of dodginess in the pricing of those too. (Basically, cheap chips in an expensive chassis.)

* The Ear Gear Experience was interesting but hard to judge. I’d be interested to hear how headphone amps fare in blind tests, because I’d wager that the cool $5000 tube amps don’t sound much better or different than something more basic.

* Guys? If you need to lose weight, don’t try to hide it by wearing an oversized short-sleeve button-up. Do you really aspire to look like the people in the background on Antiques Roadshow?

* I overheard one guy ask a vinyl seller if he had a copy of The Nightfly: Live. Come on, man.

* In terms of speakers, turntables, etc., almost everything sounded completely awesome. The most expensive speakers I heard (that I know of) were Estelon Extreme MKs, which go for a cool quarter million a pair. They’re as tall as I am and weigh a couple hundred pounds. They really did sound excellent, but did they sound seven times as good as the $35,000 B&Ws? Or measurably better at all? Of course not. But they did look cool. I’ll keep them in mind for the next time I need to restock my mansion.

* One room featured a pair of Klipsch Jubilees ($18,000 a pair). After listening for a few minutes, I leaned over to my son and asked, “Is it just me, or do these not actually sound that good?” He agreed. Almost everything we heard sounded amazing, if often not worth the price; this was the only set of speakers that really just did not sound good.

* One of the best-sounding set-ups was a pair of bookshelf speakers plus a subwoofer, and like an idiot, I didn’t note down what it was or who made it.

* The sign on the door for Rega’s room read, “Warning: do not enter if you’re hoping to spend a ton of money.” They were demoing a setup that comprised a turntable, a small amp, and small bookshelf speakers, all for $2000 in total. It sounded wonderful, if not necessarily room filling.

* The super-expensive Triangle turntables sounded pretty great, but, again, not noticeably better than many other decks in many other rooms. But they’re attractive things, in a steampunk kind of way.

Anyway, it was pretty fun. I would go again.

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Wood Goblin wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:51 pm
* The sign on the door for Rega’s room read, “Warning: do not enter if you’re hoping to spend a ton of money.” They were demoing a setup that comprised a turntable, a small amp, and small bookshelf speakers, all for $2000 in total. It sounded wonderful, if not necessarily room filling.

* The super-expensive Triangle turntables sounded pretty great, but, again, not noticeably better than many other decks in many other rooms. But they’re attractive things, in a steampunk kind of way.

Anyway, it was pretty fun. I would go again.
What is this "super-expensive" Triangle Turntable of which you write? All I see are cheap looking things with Bluetooth capability.

I went to one of these shows once in Burlingame, CA. Listened to records on a Simon Yorke record player. Beautiful works of art and craftsmanship. Funny thing is multiple rooms were using Sade to showoff the products. Like anyone listens to Sade anymore.
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They had the second one and a shorter version of the first one working. I agree—I like the second one and think the first one looks ridiculous. (The shorter version of deck #1 looks better.)

Neither is worth the price, and plenty of builders make nicer looking decks. (Those Simon Yorke decks look ten times better, to my eyes.) Still, I’m not going to deny that it was fun to check them out.

If I owned a deck like this, I think I’d be anxious every time I put a record on. “Did the speed just change a bit?” That kind of thing.

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Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:16 am
If I owned a deck like this, I think I’d be anxious every time I put a record on. “Did the speed just change a bit?” That kind of thing.
Absolutely! Seems like the more you (the royal you) pay the more critical you could become. I totally would. But for the speed change you just need to buy the VPI ADS Drive System for another $1100. Problem solved. I'm sure you'd never hear another variation in speed if you had that [eyeroll].
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