TylerDeadPine wrote: Koupal/Naish on Youth of America.

tallchris wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:20 pm Steve Garvey/John Maher

Yeah I feel this way about most of the early punk bands. Imagine being raised on '70s hard rock or whatever and seemingly overnight be expected to pull off those tempos.

Every time i see this thread i Just think of Holger and Jacki and think "oh, i can't post about them they're not underrated", but it's just that they're that good that they kind of are.

I'm just posting this so the impulse goes away, really.


Back to shame and guilt.

jfv wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:41 am Ficca/Smith.

This is a really good answer that I hadn’t considered. Those guys were great.

I’ll add Kim Deal and David Lovering to the list. Nothing they played was complicated, but everything they played was distinctive.

Happyman wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:20 am Every time i see this thread i Just think of Holger and Jacki and think "oh, i can't post about them they're not underrated", but it's just that they're that good that they kind of are.

I'm just posting this so the impulse goes away, really.


Back to shame and guilt.

Fair comment.

I think David J and Kevin Haskins never get enough recognition. I recently saw Bauhaus and they fucking killed it.

Dennis Dunaway and Neal Smith
Tim Wright and Ikue Mori

I think a lot about how bands approach 'who follows whom'.

Drummers that follow bass vs. those that follow guitar, drummer leads everyone, etc.

I (bass) have played in bands where the guitarist was the rhythmic linchpin and it worked wonderfully.

In another group that same approach did not work at all.

Maybe this should be a new thread.

ErikG wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:20 pm I think a lot about how bands approach 'who follows whom'.

Drummers that follow bass vs. those that follow guitar, drummer leads everyone, etc.

I (bass) have played in bands where the guitarist was the rhythmic linchpin and it worked wonderfully.

In another group that same approach did not work at all.

Maybe this should be a new thread.

I think this is a fundamental concept of playing in bands and while I have feelings about what works for me, there's no right or wrong way to approach this.

Do please make this its own thread!


Also, yeah the Dunaway/Smith on those old Coop albums is incredible. Love it to Death probably my favorite of that era.

As a bass player I feel like this is something I have to establish with every drummer I'm playing with. Who's driving? Some want to lead, some want to follow. Some need to be pulled back, some need to be pushed. If you both follow each other you can end up in a feedback loop playing slower and slower, like a couple of guys stuck in a doorway saying "after you".

Other drummers bulldoze their way through and can't be tamed. It's then up to you to figure out whether you should be playing on top or behind the beat that they give you. This is not always a bad thing either as it allows you to play with the feel without provoking the drummer to speed up or slow down.

Everyone talks about Iommi's riffs in Black Sabbath, but Geezer/Ward is the secret weapon.