Not Crap. Possibly the only issue on which I agree with Morrissey, although - like Brigitte Bardot and Ricky Gervais - he's a terrible ambassador for the cause.

I will admit to a degree of moral inconsistency/ selfishness here though, as - whilst I don't eat meat, fish or poultry I do love cheese, and the dairy industry arguably causes as much suffering and environmental damage as the meat industry. If food science managed to produce a cheese substitute that tasted like the real thing I would go full-on vegan.

I was vegetarian six years and six months of that was vegan.

I’m more relaxed now. If I eat meat it’s high quality with good animal husbandry if I can establish provenance.

I have no mortal issue with the killing and eating of animals, but I totally get why some people do.

Less meat is better full stop.

I welcome the day of lab grown meat and cheese

Pescatarian here. 25+ years.

Accidentally ate a little bacon a few weeks ago. It was gross.

And I used to like bacon.

twelvepoint wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:10 am As a follow up, I think everyone has some kind of hypocrisy in their lives they have to reconcile. I think that’s a natural thing, and makes us more humble and accepting of others.

This is lovely.

Really surprised at the low percentage of vegetarians and vegans; a European poll in a similar context would I reckon be majority veggie/vegan. Goes to show there are still areas where western culture isn't entirely homogeneous!

Adam_I_III wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:24 am Really surprised at the low percentage of vegetarians and vegans; a European poll in a similar context would I reckon be majority veggie/vegan. Goes to show there are still areas where western culture isn't entirely homogeneous!

Depends on the country, apparently. Europe is a big place, and not at all homogenous. Also vegetarianism and veganism are two very different things, both of which have somewhat loose definitions, the former especially.

https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation ... -the-world
https://www.futurekind.com/blogs/vegan/vegan-statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country

I’ve been vegetarian my whole life. Born in Southern California raised by hippies in the 70s etc. It seemed much more common amongst my peers in the 90s not as much these
days.

My wife was a strict vegetarian for a couple decades but occasionally dabbles in meat eating these days. She also feeds our young children some meat which isn’t my favorite but she’s handling most of the meals for them. In her experience feeding kids properly is hard enough without restrictions.

enframed wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:59 pm

Adam_I_III wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:24 am Really surprised at the low percentage of vegetarians and vegans; a European poll in a similar context would I reckon be majority veggie/vegan. Goes to show there are still areas where western culture isn't entirely homogeneous!

Depends on the country, apparently. Europe is a big place, and not at all homogenous. Also vegetarianism and veganism are two very different things, both of which have somewhat loose definitions, the former especially.

https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation ... -the-world
https://www.futurekind.com/blogs/vegan/vegan-statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country

I was specifically talking of the type of people who use this forum, rather than the entire population.

I doubt any European countries are majority veggie/vegan.

What is a good source for one who wishes to explore vegetarianism/veganism?

For those who care to answer does your lifestyle carry on to alcoholic beverages, clothing, products, etc.?

Might be a dumb question so apologies in advance, but are there vegan/vegetarian options that have absolutely no desire to resemble a carnivore's diet?

Does the lack of a central nervous system make eating plants easier? Apologies in advance and all that.

Why can't they get cheeses right?

thank you.

For me it's about quality of life for the food source. Animals (including humans) invariably kill other animals and/ or plants in order to consume them and survive. If I can minimize the suffering of my food source (plants, animals, fungus etc) in any way then I will try to do that.

I'm sure I'm oversimplifying and have huge blind spots but I do the best I can.