brephophagist wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:29 pm

kokorodoko wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:20 pm Autechre has never topped Incunabula.

Baited, lol! Could not disagree more. Mentally flipping through the chronology and EP7 is probably the first record afterward that I’d rate lower than Incunabula. I am including all the EPs in that, too. Tri Rep is one of my favorite records, period.

They adopted a distinctly "sharper" sound shortly afterwards, which I've always had difficulty with. While standing by my initial assessment however, I listened to Tri Rep again yesterday, and it is very good and in some ways more in line with my state of mind at the moment.

But like, I'm listening to "Plus" right now, and like all their records for a long while it's "tktktktktk sqwersh blurt blurt blurt" and I miss the simple beauty of Incunabula. There are many melodic themes in contemporary EDM music that I feel like one could work with on a similar pattern.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 3:28 am Absurd take I know, but I think the finest Leonard Cohen album is his last one, and that's not a knock on the others. I just find You Want it Darker oddly magical.

You Want It Darker is cool too. First track especially...knocks. When I got a CD player for the music room, pulled all of my discs from storage and sorted through them one last time, that one went in the coveted "to play" pile.

By the way, regarding Autechre, I haven't spent time with all of it, not quite a superfan, but the two I've liked most have always been Amber and LP5. Plus maybe the Peel Sessions EP.

ErikG wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:16 pm

M.H wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:31 pm Also, Catastrophe Ballet is a better record than Only Theatre of Pain. Easily better.

M.H wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:30 pm ...no offense, I understand taste is subjective BUT ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS?

What I find funny about the recieved wisdom take on Christian Death (not that I'm saying these are your views) is that everyone only reps the debut but shits on Roz's performance as campy and ridiculous. I really like the debut a lot, but Roz is clearly finding ways to express himself. And the TC electronics Chorus tone... not great.

Then on Catastrophe Ballet C.D produce an elegant, erotic, evocative, unsettling and genuinely surreal album and everyone turns their nose up. This is baffling to me. Ashes is also great and never gets mentioned. I particularly love this:



Thinking about this topic walking to work today and I'm convinced a major contributer to this 'early stuff' mentality is the way the music press used to work. New acts need to find an audience and the press gets to act as kingmaker - initially it's a symbiotic process. But once a band has a fan base the journalists don't matter so much, so the press move onto the next new thing and don't maintain the same interest in acts that have grown past their purview.

But the general audience find more writing / opinions about a band's early work and rarely bother to listen past that point, esp as they might need to think for themselves and form their own opinions about the later records.

M.H wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:24 am Thinking about this topic walking to work today and I'm convinced a major contributer to this 'early stuff' mentality is the way the music press used to work. New acts need to find an audience and the press gets to act as kingmaker - initially it's a symbiotic process. But once a band has a fan base the journalists don't matter so much, so the press move onto the next new thing and don't maintain the same interest in acts that have grown past their purview.

I think if that's true it's a short term effect. Reviews of, say, Travistan seemed overly harsh (especially considering the praise The Dismemberment Plan were getting just a few years before), but audiences would have figured out that record is a turd anyway.

Going further back, was something like Their Satanic Majesties Request permanently tainted by critics or were audiences indifferent too..

penningtron wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:05 am I think if that's true it's a short term effect.

I'd disagree here - I think the archivist nature of the net means that lots of opinions are more accessible to more people, so more people are introduced to an album with the pre-attached consensus of whether it's any good or not.

It has been interesting to see a few takes change over time - for example, all the younger metal heads I know see Sepultura's Roots as a nu-metal sellout and think it's one of their worst efforts - whereas I remember nothing but praise being heaped upon it when it was released.

M.H wrote: It has been interesting to see a few takes change over time - for example, all the younger metal heads I know see Sepultura's Roots as a nu-metal sellout and think it's one of their worst efforts - whereas I remember nothing but praise being heaped upon it when it was released.

Well, maybe that's because there weren't a million bands who sounded like that in 1996, and in retrospect seems directly connected to Limp Bizkit and whatnot.

(I have a soft spot for it, even though I acknowledged at the time it was dangerously close to Korn)

PASTA wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:26 pm

numberthirty wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:08 pm
One should not own any of the Def Leppard albums after High 'n' Dry.

FYP

Charlie D wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:43 am

PASTA wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:26 pm

numberthirty wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:08 pm
One should not own any of the Def Leppard albums after High 'n' Dry.

FYP

already covered in this thread re: Slayer

Helps to double check sometimes.

M.H wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:46 am

penningtron wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:05 am I think if that's true it's a short term effect.

I'd disagree here - I think the archivist nature of the net means that lots of opinions are more accessible to more people, so more people are introduced to an album with the pre-attached consensus of whether it's any good or not.

It has been interesting to see a few takes change over time - for example, all the younger metal heads I know see Sepultura's Roots as a nu-metal sellout and think it's one of their worst efforts - whereas I remember nothing but praise being heaped upon it when it was released.

I was young when Roots was released, and was blown away by how heavy it sounded upon first listen. I think it blows now, but it was lauded in its day. Soulfly was derided as crap from the start.