rsmurphy wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:13 pm Does anybody think that Alex Jones' texts will have any bearing on the procedures? And not to digress, but perhaps someone more learned than I can succinctly explain that whole development to me. It appears like a big fuck-up on Alex Jones' lawyers part. How can that not be used as a reason to declare incompetence resulting in a mistrial. I know I'm missing something basic, but can't figure out what it is.

Jones’s lawyer (or a paralegal) dumped the contents of his phone in a Dropbox folder, as well as medical records for other plaintiffs that Jones almost certainly should not have had. The plaintiffs lawyer notified Jones’s team of the error. There is a specific protocol Jones’s lawyers needed to follow to “claw back” the phone. They simply sent an email that said, “Please disregard.” This apparently came nowhere close to adhering to the protocols. After the requisite amount of time passed, the plaintiffs got to hold it free and clear.

Jones’s lawyers tried to declare a mistrial (for the billionth time and billionth reason) and were denied. It probably didn’t help that the entire reason the legal proceedings skipped straight to damages was that Jones refused to provide materials to the court that he had legally been required to provide—materials that popped up on that phone.

The Jan 6th committee has already asked for the contents (although I don’t know how formally), and Jones’s ex-wife says that she’ll subpoena them too. Jones had clearly perjured the shit out of himself in multiple venues, so even if the jury doesn’t nail him in the current trial, he’s well and truly fucked.

rsmurphy wrote: It appears like a big fuck-up on Alex Jones' lawyers part.

It seems like if Jones lawyer had said "Hey, no, wait, you gotta give that back" (during the appropriate 10-day period) they would essentially be saying "Hey, we lied during discovery when we said this stuff doesn't exist, so can you just give it back to us and pretend you never saw it?"

So they're kind of fucked either way. Maybe?

It's not hard to believe Jones might hire a clown to be his lawyer.
Or maybe this is all a genius plan to torpedo the whole thing and own the libs, let's go Brandon, etc.
If the J6 comittee (or any law enforcement) actually ends up with Jones' texts & emails it's hard to see how that could be true.

Plus "intimate messages" with libertine-slash-Willie-Wonka's-corpse Roger Stone?
The mind reels.

rsmurphy wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:13 pm Does anybody think that Alex Jones' texts will have any bearing on the procedures? And not to digress, but perhaps someone more learned than I can succinctly explain that whole development to me. It appears like a big fuck-up on Alex Jones' lawyers part. How can that not be used as a reason to declare incompetence resulting in a mistrial. I know I'm missing something basic, but can't figure out what it is.

I think Jones' lawyers had a ten day period to reply to an email from the prosecution team, and saud reply would have taken the erroneously-uploaded docs off the table. Once the ten days had passed without reply, they were fair game.

Wood Goblin wrote:They simply sent an email that said, “Please disregard.” This apparently came nowhere close to adhering to the protocols. After the requisite amount of time passed, the plaintiffs got to hold it free and clear.

That seems so unprofessional or something - like a sitcom. Which is probably why this makes sense...

Teacher's Pet wrote: seems like if Jones lawyer had said "Hey, no, wait, you gotta give that back" (during the appropriate 10-day period) they would essentially be saying "Hey, we lied during discovery when we said this stuff doesn't exist, so can you just give it back to us and pretend you never saw it?"

Which to me still makes it seem like the whole thing was a farce. How incompetent could they be? Apparently a lot incompetent.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote:Once the ten days had passed without reply, they were fair game.

They had one job.

Still feels like too much of an easy dunk. I'd hazard a guess that there are texts from all them insurrectionist hoes: Stone, Gaetz, Green, maybe even Trump? Hope springs eternal and all that.

Maybe I heard it incorrectly, but I believe they’ve already confirmed that there were texts to Stone. No idea on the other figures.

I bet Alex Jones led the "peaceful" Trump supporters to the other side of the Capitol, then dipped as a diversion from the chaos taking place on the other side. Best laid plans and all that.

rsmurphy wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:13 pm Does anybody think that Alex Jones' texts will have any bearing on the procedures? And not to digress, but perhaps someone more learned than I can succinctly explain that whole development to me. It appears like a big fuck-up on Alex Jones' lawyers part. How can that not be used as a reason to declare incompetence resulting in a mistrial. I know I'm missing something basic, but can't figure out what it is.

I think whenever you see an obviously guilty rich person have incompetent counsel, it’s something they’ve organized because they want a mistrial. Then later, retrials will take forever and possibly be mistrials as well because so much of the first was in the public eye.

I think in a few years Jones will pay a million or so, and double it in income that year doing podcasts and selling shitty vitamins.

Either that or no reputable lawyer will touch them so they end up with Saul Goodmans. For the things that Trump and Jones wants their lawyers to do, you need someone who's game to commit felonies.

Anthony Flack wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:20 pm Either that or no reputable lawyer will touch them so they end up with Saul Goodmans. For the things that Trump and Jones wants their lawyers to do, you need someone who's game to commit felonies.

When you develop a reputation for not paying your bills and willingness to throw others under the bus as patsies for your own shenanigans while at the same time demanding absolute loyalty, it becomes impossible to find any 'A' or "B' list people willing to work for you. You end up relegated to 'D' list idiots who have no good reputation or options otherwise. Yep, Saul Goodmans.