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jfv

Re: Politics

221 by jfv

enframed wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:41 pm Have we ever sent the Speaker of the House to another country in a situation with such hostility?

Gingrich, then speaker, visited Taiwan in 1997.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1997/04/02 ... 859957200/

...immediately after visiting China and telling them that the USA would intervene to defend Taiwan.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/31/worl ... aiwan.html (sorry it's behind NYT paywall)

Anyway, I certainly understand your points and concern. Probably little chance that I'll convince you otherwise, particularly online, so I'll stop here.

jason (he/him/his) from volo (illinois)

Gramsci

Re: Politics

222 by Gramsci

jfv wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:20 pm Pelosi visiting Taiwan = right thing to do

I love that island.

Only if you have a death wish. I used to think Trump was going to get us all killed now I’m sure it’s people that read Vox.

clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.

Gramsci

Re: Politics

223 by Gramsci

pldms wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:44 am
Gramsci wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:32 pm Everyone enjoying a parade of talentless ghouls lining up to be Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland…?
I'll never tire of watching "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" (aka the parliamentary tory party, according to parliamentary tory party) reveal this phrase to mean: a bunch of immoral backstabbers getting so drunk on plotting and assassination that they almost invariably end up with the candidate none of them wanted.

This time the right have offered quite a number of swivel-eyed loons who keep spewing phrases they've learned from the internet - "wokeness", "cancel culture", "cultural marxism" - that are pretty meaningless to most regular tories. And they're now panicking that their candidates aren't doing well and have decided to transparently wage war on someone who might be their best chance of winning the next election.

So sit back an enjoy "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" working very hard to lose the next election.

After living in the UK for twenty years I’ve come to the conclusion this country suffers from a unique form of mass psychosis. Watching the BBC for five minutes is like watching Inter-dimensional TV on Rick & Morty. Stuck in a weird parallel world that’s almost like reality but enough off to generate Uncanny Valley.

As for "the most sophisticated electorate in the world"… probably some of the dumbest and insane people living on this planet.

clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.

jfv

Re: Politics

224 by jfv

Gramsci wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:18 am
jfv wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:20 pm Pelosi visiting Taiwan = right thing to do

I love that island.
Only if you have a death wish. I used to think Trump was going to get us all killed now I’m sure it’s people that read Vox.

I'm sure the people of Ukraine now wish that more was done to support them before Russia invaded.

jason (he/him/his) from volo (illinois)

Gramsci

Re: Politics

225 by Gramsci

jfv wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:19 am
Gramsci wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:18 am
jfv wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:20 pm Pelosi visiting Taiwan = right thing to do

I love that island.
Only if you have a death wish. I used to think Trump was going to get us all killed now I’m sure it’s people that read Vox.
I'm sure the people of Ukraine now wish that more was done to support them before Russia invaded.

Maybe Ukraine shouldn’t have integrated the Azov Battalion into their military

Oh how times change…
https://time.com/5926750/azov-far-right ... -facebook/

Arming Ukraine and threatening the balance in Eastern Europe via Nato expansion is literally the justification Putin gave for his illegal invasion.

Seriously, “liberal” interventionism will start WWIII

clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.

Dovira

Re: Politics

226 by Dovira

Gramsci wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:54 am
jfv wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:19 am
Gramsci wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:18 am

Only if you have a death wish. I used to think Trump was going to get us all killed now I’m sure it’s people that read Vox.
I'm sure the people of Ukraine now wish that more was done to support them before Russia invaded.
Maybe Ukraine shouldn’t have integrated the Azov Battalion into their military

Oh how times change…
https://time.com/5926750/azov-far-right ... -facebook/

Arming Ukraine and threatening the balance in Eastern Europe via Nato expansion is literally the justification Putin gave for his illegal invasion.

Seriously, “liberal” interventionism will start WWIII

You're absolutely fucking braindead. A nation is fighting a defensive war against an invasion, and providing modest material support for the defender is apparently retroactively making yourself responsible for the invasion, even setting the stage for World War 3.

"NATO expansion" meaning Ukraine has wished to join NATO - having good reason to, as it turns out - something which hasn't even actually happened yet.

No actual intervention has taken place, as you well know.

That is indeed the justification Putin gave, because he is conducting propaganda to pull support from the European population (of which he already has a not insignificant amount).

Stop being an idiot.

born to give

Dovira

Re: Politics

227 by Dovira

I really don't understand how this idea has gained so much traction among western left-wingers, this panic over fanning the flames of conflict, this despairing defeatism - on the unrequested behalf of another nation - posturing as sober objectivity. Even Varoufakis has bought into it. Incomprehensible.

born to give

zorg

Re: Politics

228 by zorg

There were plenty of think pieces about this well ahead of time, so it’s not a new idea. This is from 2016. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/l ... story.html
There is also the issue of massive goverment corruption that everyone is a bit ashamed to bring up. Mr Zelensky himself was in some hot water about his off-shore accounts. So totally sympathize with the Ukranian people, who sre pawns of the usual shitheads, but its best to realize there is plenty of blame to go around, otherwise.

Curry Pervert

Re: Politics

229 by Curry Pervert

kokorodoko wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:52 pm Stop being an idiot.

Take your own advice.

NATO is the US expansionist war machine. The US has been fucking around in Ukraine for a long time. Many advisors and political scientists said that this would happen.

Stop drinking the foreign policy kool aid.

https://www.economist.com/by-invitation ... ian-crisis

Dave N. wrote:Most of us are here because we’re trying to keep some spark of an idea from going out.

Frankie99

Re: Politics

230 by Frankie99

I dunno man, as long as there are borders I think people will find a way to fight wars. As long as there are resource needs and an international supply chain that feeds governments and corporations, there will be “reasons” to fight wars.

If you think that Russia was only going to do this when certain specific events occurred, I’m gonna disagree. They picked their reasons from a large pre-populated menu of reasons, retconned those into “justifications” and began the war.

Figuring out who did what in an international pissing match that’s been going on for multiple administrations across the globe isn’t really comfort for anyone.

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