penningtron wrote: Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:07 am

penningtron wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:49 am If the Jesus Lizard's discography was deleted tomorrow I wouldn't miss it.

I'm with you on this... The music is pretty forgettable.

I'm not saying I never enjoyed it, I just got so sick of hearing about them and bands influenced by them in Chicago. And yeah, not a lot in the way of actual songs.

I did some somewhat extensive music project around Nirvana, Kurt Cobain's list of "50 albums" and composition etc. and... I'd say that Scratch Acid stuff seems to be way more influential than Jesus Lizard, per se. But I've never been to Chicago and know next to nothing about Chicago music, really.

Roeder wrote: Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:42 pm Having contrary opinions for the sake of clutching to hipness is a sacred cow that needs to be taken out back and shot.

Very much so. Showing your working is at least courteous; at most, essential.

CCR bores the shit out of me. Not a single song of theirs I'd care to ever hear again.

handsbloodyhands wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:50 pm CCR bores the shit out of me. Not a single song of theirs I'd care to ever hear again.

I never seek out their music on my own, but I think of them as being one of those bands everyone can agree on: fun to listen to in the car/on a road trip, not too grating or challenging, and you already know most of the songs - whether you actively like them or not.

See also: Tom Petty, Steve Miller, The Doors, etc...

Geiginni wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:36 pm

handsbloodyhands wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:50 pm CCR bores the shit out of me. Not a single song of theirs I'd care to ever hear again.

I never seek out their music on my own, but I think of them as being one of those bands everyone can agree on: fun to listen to in the car/on a road trip, not too grating or challenging, and you already know most of the songs - whether you actively like them or not.

See also: Tom Petty, Steve Miller, The Doors, etc...

Tom Petty, Steve Miller, The Doors, etc... over CCR any day or road trip.

I'd ask to be let our of the vehicle if another passenger said we'd be listening to lots of CCR.

Clearly I need to hear more Steve Miller Band, if they're comparable to CCR.

DaveA wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:25 pm Clearly I need to hear more Steve Miller Band, if they're comparable to CCR.

The resemblance between “Abracadabra” and “Ramble Tamble” is uncanny.

DaveA wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:25 pm Clearly I need to hear more Steve Miller Band, if they're comparable to CCR.

The only comparison I attempted was "They're something a group of people stuck in a car without common music interests can probably agree on."

CCR is something I listen to on a road trip with my mom when I don't want to hear quasi-ethnic new age and she's sick of piano trios and string quartets.

It's either CCR or Jim Gaffigan and Patton Oswalt sets.

Both musical concerns are Boomer Rock staples, I'll give y'all that.

DaveA wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:25 pm Clearly I need to hear more Steve Miller Band, if they're comparable to CCR.

I would disagree strongly about them being comparable. But then, I like CCR and dislike Steve Miller, so that’s probably a given.

On that note, I would say: there’s a sociological element to much of CCR’s music — particularly with regard to class disparities. (The class anger expressed explicitly in “Fortunate Son” is a subtext in a lot of CCR’s music.) There’s also a deliberate thematic consistency in CCR’s music: a nostalgia for rural life, and the mythologies of post-Civil-War Americana. Whether this is a good thing from a casual listener’s perspective is, I suppose, open to question. (I think the reason CCR is so easily dismissed is that CCR is, admittedly, something of a gimmick band at its base: a bunch of guys from the Bay Area pretending to be from the South. They just happen to have a great songwriter at the helm, such that the songs largely—if not necessarily entirely—transcend the gimmick.)

On the other hand, I hear nothing intelligent whatsoever going on in Steve Miller’s music. All I’m hearing are variations on “Hey baby, let’s party (and maybe get high).” It’s the most knuckleheaded AOR party rock this side of Bachman Turner Overdrive. (And I say that as someone who will admit to liking “Abracadabra”.) I have my doubts as to whether Steve Miller constitutes a “sacred cow” — but for purposes of fidelity to the topic, I’m definitely shoving.

[As a sidebar: I’m admittedly judging CCR having listened to their entire catalog, and Steve Miller from the handful of songs that get played on the radio ad nauseam. I’ve long kicked around the idea of starting a C/NC on “Judging a band based solely on its singles”; it’s a topic on which I’m genuinely curious to hear opinions.]