Krev wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:18 am With Trump running a spite campaign as an Independent, the Democrats could probably run a head floating in a jar of formaldehyde and beat (presumably) DeSantis.

...which might describe Biden two years from now.

jfv wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:20 am

Krev wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:18 am With Trump running a spite campaign as an Independent, the Democrats could probably run a head floating in a jar of formaldehyde and beat (presumably) DeSantis.

...which might describe Biden two years from now.

He's not far off.

Krev wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:33 am

jfv wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:20 am

Krev wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:18 am With Trump running a spite campaign as an Independent, the Democrats could probably run a head floating in a jar of formaldehyde and beat (presumably) DeSantis.

...which might describe Biden two years from now.

He's not far off.

Frightfully true. He's exceeded my very low expectations (is Biden actually amore progressive president than Obama?). He should do what he can for the next two years and then get out of the way for someone new.

losthighway wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:57 am (is Biden actually amore progressive president than Obama?)

I wouldn't attribute it to the individuals. I'd attribute it to the fact that society as a whole was more progressive in 2021 (even after 4 years of Trump) as compared to 2009 (after 8 years of GWB).

Yeah, Biden was totally dragged along for the ride.

I haven't seen it online yet, but cable news TV in the USA is currently reporting that a (stray?) Russian missile has struck a location in Poland and killed some people.

So much for taking a break from watching the news.

Krev wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:13 pm Yeah, Biden was totally dragged along for the ride.

It would be very hard to argue against that. I guess I'm just glad that he could be dragged. But yeah, let's move on in 2024.

I think Obama was advertised as far more liberal and progressive than he actually was. With Biden, it was more that he had to go along with forces outside his control.

jfv wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:13 pm I haven't seen it online yet, but cable news TV in the USA is currently reporting that a (stray?) Russian missile has struck a location in Poland and killed some people.

So much for taking a break from watching the news.

Yeah, one local (I'm Polish) media outlet reported on it being (russian?) rockets (strike happened around 5 hours ago, at 15:50 CET, 14:50 GMT) and after that all of the media went pretty much quiet and only mentioned an explosion and 2 people dead - rather clearly by demand of the government. Meanwhile Skynews was and is all like:



I haven't seen any sort of official confirmations it was a Russian rocket, the biggest plotwist I can think of is that those were Polish rockets used by Ukrainians in an attempt to shoot down Russian rocket.

Oh and the Twitter (#przewodow) is a (Russian, I assume) trolling galore at the moment so be very careful if you fine people go there. My favorite so far:



(this indeed is downtown Warsaw - years ago, at night before a military parade. there are no tanks whatsoever anywhere near this spot)

...and the spite campaign has begun. Don Perot has thrown in his hat (hairpiece).