handsbloodyhands wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:38 am "Me, me, me, what I think, what I think, me, me, me" leading to the BIG question "what's wrong with you people?"

plus name drop, name drop, name drop

This wasn't the best way to (re)introduce oneself. I'm half-expecting the OP to be a troll and is going to shortly start spamming us on some weird conspiracy theory.

EDIT:

Maybe it's the former keyboard player for Fugazi.

Wood Goblin wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:48 am I’m curious about the Japanese music too.

Dougal666 wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:13 am So I figured, with the amount of archival Zappa material released every year, the little time I have to listen to music these days can be filled by keeping up with those. Fine.

Wait, never mind. No I’m not.

For real. Between this Zappa-as-stand-in for "good" music and the sub-Hollywood Elsewhere slighting of Bresson, Altman, and Reichardt over in the Kelly Reichardt thread, I don't think I"ll be introduced to anything mindblowing here.

have any of you moron idiots ever heard of rock from Japan?

Steve Albini's Twitter.

caga tio wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:23 pm For real. Between this Zappa-as-stand-in for "good" music and the sub-Hollywood Elsewhere slighting of Bresson, Altman, and Reichardt over in the Kelly Reichardt thread, I don't think I"ll be introduced to anything mindblowing here.

For some people, "Mouchette" means the best film ever ; for some people, "Mouchette" is a term meaning "utter crap".
For some people, "Steely Dan" means the best band ever ; for some people (like Albini), "Steely Dan" is a term meaning "utter crap".
This is "The Steve Albini Forum".

I like cheese.

Tom Wanderer wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:31 am Seriously, though, I get it. I had a decade from like 2003-2013 where I had pretty much written off modern rock music and wouldn't even deign to consider it's value. But, of course, there's always something great going on out there. I was just being pretentious. Trends in music are often annoying, alienating, stupid, but there are plenty of people working outside of that. And it does get pretty tiresome when female vocalists only sing in an affected Bjork or Billie style.

For me it was a matter of being fed up of checking one band after another, which people who used to have good taste raved on about, and finding them to be boring, obnoxious and, most importantly, retrogressive.
(For me, things started to go to the shits around the turn of the century, with the "post punk" trend, when people started going backwards instead of forward.)

I definitely understand the affected female vocal thing (one of the band I like now has that, so I need to endure it). There's also the much more widespread problem of the very "sincere" vocals.

RyanZ wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:36 am Please turn us on to some of these bands in the Crap/Not Crap. I am interested.

I'll do that, just hope the reactions will be funny!

I sort of get the complaint about Altman, who I don’t particularly enjoy. Even my favorite movie of his (The Long Goodbye) has a few scenes that, painfully, look like improv exercises in an Intro to Acting class.

I saw Mouchette a number of years ago and loved it, but I also can’t remember a thing about it. But I do think Bresson fans are too forgiving of his later work, some of which is just terrible. (L’Argent might be the worst-edited film by a major figure I’ve ever seen.) How he went from A Man Escaped, Pickpocket, and Au Hasard Balthazar to . . . that is one of the great mysteries of our time.