indiegrab_360 wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:41 pm

numberthirty wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:16 pm

indiegrab_360 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:23 pm

This may be the way to do it... I just tried via MIDI but in Audacity the click track is non-Midi... so I can't sync to that. I'm really trying to just use DarkAudacity for this because that's how I record music already and it works so easily. Workflow is everything. No need to download an entire new DAW just for this.

If I can figure this out I can create music so much more easily. Because I can just add in drum machine stuff after I've recorded to the click, instead of going through a ridiculous amount of clip trimming and analyzing and sequencing and layering which takes hours of clicking and dragging.

What is in "Red..." is telling me that what is in "Green..." might be bunk.

Straight talk...

In just the time that you have burned on "Pee Wee Herman Making Breakfast..." fixes on this thread?

You could already have a handle on Reaper, and be doing exactly what you seem to be saying that you want to do.

Here's the exact explanation of what's going on. I'm not learning Reaper unless someone pays me to. $1000 and I'll learn it and put up a video demo of how to do it on Cubase.

Again, straight talk...

If you are dead set on sticking with the broke down hooptie?

You gotta accept that the "Broke Down Hooptie..." limitations come with making that call.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI_beat_clock
So many ideas... notice this thread of "sluggish" Alesis SR-16

https://freeshell.de//~rocket/midi/midiclockdetect/

So many ideas... notice this thread of "sluggish" Alesis SR-16

numberthirty wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:08 pm

indiegrab_360 wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:41 pm

numberthirty wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:16 pm

What is in "Red..." is telling me that what is in "Green..." might be bunk.

Straight talk...

In just the time that you have burned on "Pee Wee Herman Making Breakfast..." fixes on this thread?

You could already have a handle on Reaper, and be doing exactly what you seem to be saying that you want to do.

Here's the exact explanation of what's going on. I'm not learning Reaper unless someone pays me to. $1000 and I'll learn it and put up a video demo of how to do it on Cubase.

Again, straight talk...

If you are dead set on sticking with the broke down hooptie?

You gotta accept that the "Broke Down Hooptie..." limitations come with making that call.

This website has interesting explanation of audio clock vs. MIDI clock and the differences and how it impacts recording.
https://bastl-instruments.com/instruments/klik

This might be the magic device I'm looking for...

http://www.electrongate.com/dmxfiles/mcc3.html

indiegrab_360 wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:41 pm I'm not learning Reaper unless someone pays me to.

That's really fucking stupid.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:11 am

indiegrab_360 wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:41 pm I'm not learning Reaper unless someone pays me to.

That's really fucking stupid.

While I don't know about all of that...

At best, it sorta feels like a good solid "Maybe?..."

Once upon a time, this pro wrestler Kevin Nash got stuck with a "The Wizard..." as in The Wizard Of Oz bit while he was wrestling for WCW. This one time, he is smoking a joint with Kevin Sullivan while grumbling about being saddled with this lousy bit.

Sullivan's response was roughly "Big Kev, just take the damn money..."

That is just about how I feel when I look at what's happening in this thread.

The demo of Reaper is fully functional, and may very well yield an overall faster workflow with just a bit of time spent getting to know it. That's before you get to that there is like an eighty-five to ninety percent chance that it fixes the issue that is at the heart of this thread.

While I guess I can't make somebody give that sort of thing a try?

It is just "Big Kev, just take the damn money..."

indiegrab_360 wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:55 am This might be the magic device I'm looking for...

http://www.electrongate.com/dmxfiles/mcc3.html

I think that is the opposite of what you want. It converts MIDI clock to pulse. You want something to convert pulse to MIDI clock. I believe the e-rm Multiclock does that but it is ~$600. Why not just record the guitar part, figure out a drum beat you like. Record the drum beat into a new audacity session and then rerecord the guitar part to the drum beat?

Also, I will agree with the “just learn Reaper” crowd.

Jon

Barbo wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:50 pm

indiegrab_360 wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:55 am This might be the magic device I'm looking for...

http://www.electrongate.com/dmxfiles/mcc3.html

I think that is the opposite of what you want. It converts MIDI clock to pulse. You want something to convert pulse to MIDI clock. I believe the e-rm Multiclock does that but it is ~$600. Why not just record the guitar part, figure out a drum beat you like. Record the drum beat into a new audacity session and then rerecord the guitar part to the drum beat?

Also, I will agree with the “just learn Reaper” crowd.

Jon

Check out that last one, going for $175...

"The MCC-3t generates a free-running MIDI clock output based on the rate of the "tap" input from the 1/4 inch input jack.
Tap input -- The tap source can be a digital logic signal from another clock source, a normally open momentary footswitch, or even a drum pad with piezo trigger output."

I'm cheap as hell with gear but I might have to just try this out. Seems like it would actually work perfectly. Who knows...

An external hardware device sending clock information to the SR16 probably won't solve the issue you're experiencing unless it's ALSO sending that information to your DAW. If Audacity can't send midi clock, I would guess that it also can't receive it? It's just as likely that Audacity is off as it is that the drum machine is off.

The easiest thing is to just do what you say you actually want to do - use audacity as a tape machine. Don't use the click in audacity. Just program a pattern/song into the SR16, record it into Audacity, then play along with it on your guitar. Turn the tempo/measures grid off altogether.

I haven't used Audacity in years, so they may have improved the feature set ... but afaik it was designed mostly for introducing new folks to the basics of digital audio recording and to be a freeware application for doing destructive editing. There are honestly much better tools for this particular job that are as free and as low-barrier as audacity. Reaper is great, and incredibly simple to get up and running to do the very basic thing you want to do. Ardour is free and open source. If you're on a mac, even garageband is light years beyond audacity.

If you're not interested in working with a more fully featured DAW for whatever reason you could also look at replacing your mixer with something like a Tascam Model 12 or a zoom digital multitrack. Those should all be able to send clock info to your drum machine and do everything else you need them to do. They aren't very expensive and you could probably flip your current mixer to cover some of the cost.

Audacity seems like an odd hill to die on if what you want to do is make a DAW talk to a drum machine.

It sounds to me like 170bpm on your alesis might not be the same as 170bpm in your DAW, is that right?

How about just generating the click from the Alesis to begin with and then using the same tempo when you create the drum tack? I'd be willing to bet that it's not actually slowing down, it's just starting off slightly slower which gets more and more off as the song goes on.