I only have three Rats and suddenly, a deep feeling of inadequacy.

matttkkkk wrote:

GuyLaCroix wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:25 pm Rodent cascade

I believe this is known as a Rat King

benadrian wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:03 pm

tallchris wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:37 pm Lol none of this is really fitting with my "not having a giant pedal or two pedals on my board to do this thing" people!

If you want the rats you gotta pay the piper!

Nate Dort wrote: It would be pretty easy to rehouse a couple of the Mooer rat clones into a larger box with the single switch.

This could be really easy and compact. The lil Mooer guys may or may not be easy to desolder jacks foot switches from but two would easily fit in a normal sized box.

If you go that route the the off board wiring would be simple enough that one of us here could draw it on a napkin for you. Though I might would add an extra mini toggle to bypass one of the rats just in case you decide you want a more conventional rat box every so often. This is also simple.

The old Deucetone Rat had a few other clipping options that are fun. Also easy enough to add so long ass the original circuit board isn’t a disaster.

Drilling an aluminum box is really easy. If you are careful you can do it with a hand drill.

If there are some cheap rat copies out there that you like (Joyo has a new full featured one called the splinter but it is a bit bigger and I haven’t seen the insides), then rehousing two of them would probably be the simplest, maybe cheapest option.

If you feel comfortable with a diy scratch build (and don’t need mojo parts) it also wouldn’t be all that complicated. A company called Mad Bean makes a tiny Mooer sized rat pcb. It would be hard to fit two of those in a standard sized box (the BB size roughly the same as two Distortion + boxes in one). Time permitting, I might could help you out with such a project.

Mad Bean “Runt” pcb here: https://www.madbeanpedals.com/projects/index.html

"It's Rats all the way down"

Any advice on panning tom drums when you are using a stereo mic in front of the kit?

Mickey242 wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:07 pm Any advice on panning tom drums when you are using a stereo mic in front of the kit?

Work with the natural spread of the fok stereo image. The direct mics can pull things farther to the sides if you desire without ruining anything, but I find 30-40% sounds far enough to either side and shouldn't be drastically different from your stereo mic unless you're placing it further away from the kit.

On a four piece kit I like to put the rack tom at about 1:30 and the floor tom at about 9:00 as that's sort of where they'd be if I was standing in front of the kit. But I also really, really, really, dislike hearing hard panned toms so ymmv.

Is this the place to talk about drummer's perspective vs. audience perspective when panning drums? Because I have strong opinions.

Nate Dort wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 8:20 am Is this the place to talk about drummer's perspective vs. audience perspective when panning drums? Because I have strong opinions.

I could see this being a lively poll & discussion and a separate thread

I don't have a strong preference, can see validity from both sides no pun intended, etc., BUT! If you're going for a stage/audience perspective what the hell are you doing panning those toms past 3/9 o clock..

Nate Dort wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 8:20 am Is this the place to talk about drummer's perspective vs. audience perspective when panning drums? Because I have strong opinions.

I did audience perspective for years based on the notion you're presenting the band as if on stage. In recent years I've reversed it mostly because if you do something long enough you'll eventually get bored about your own opinions.