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I think if the past 10-15 years of new cinema can teach us anything, it’s that the onus of how to make a good movie won’t easily resolve itself. If anything, judging by what I’ve seen, it might be more elusive now than before, despite touted advancements.

We can have higher-definition video than ever before, more streamlined workflows. We can involve more non-straight white males in the process, have more diversified pools of co-conspirators. There can be a greater sense of political urgency from certain sectors, an unabashed willingness to tackle various hot-button issues head on. There can be a greater propensity for being outrageous, tapping into pulse-pounding dread or letting our freak flags fly in various ways, going down the rabbit hole, getting “meta,” weirdly unpleasant, etc. The lower overhead of many productions can mean we can get more personal and intimate, if need be.

But all of this is for naught if being attentive to the minute-by-minute fluctuations of a narrative and its emotional core isn’t done well, or somehow the whole endeavor is rendered moot on a conceptual level, or the movie is just plain trivial. There’s no short cut around this. No amount of star power or “things looking good on paper” can necessarily cancel it out.

I’d posit that if movies “before” (in general sense) had a tendency to suffer from meaninglessness, now it’s almost as if movies tend to suffer from too much meaning, but it’s of the wrong kind.

Am getting a new TV this week, after holding out with my more compact one for a long time. But I tend to watch movies less and less, it seems. This could just be a phase, but it’s never felt more easy and natural to put off watching things, sometimes even very good things from bygone eras.


This is a brilliant post, it should be re-iterated:
Anthony Flack wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:32 am The Barbie movie is so bad.

It is essentially a lecture about Barbie and feminism and body image and patriarchy for two hours, while doing sight gags about toys at human scale, a few silly movie parodies and lots of 4th wall-breaking wink-wink stuff. On one level it's like being trapped in a SNL sketch that won't end. On another level it felt like an Ayn Rand novel for Democrats. They're supposed to be dolls but every character is either a straw man or a sock puppet and they're all here to talk to YOU about feminism.

There is some half-hearted attempt to overlay the standard action beats of a Hollywood three-act film over all this but it's beyond flimsy. Oh, we'll get Will Ferrell to do that scenery-chewing cartoon baddie thing he does and he can... whatever. A chase or something. Who cares, not important. Then the ghost of Barbie's creator turns up to provide some additional cultural context because fuck the movie, we've got a thesis going here. By the end the characters are just standing around monologuing the director's blog posts at the audience.
Wondering, as far as apparent feature-length advertisements go, how Barbie stacks up against The Wizard and Mac & Me.
ZzzZzzZzzz . . .

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Anthony Flack wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:32 am The Barbie movie is so bad.

It is essentially a lecture about Barbie and feminism and body image and patriarchy for two hours, while doing sight gags about toys at human scale, a few silly movie parodies and lots of 4th wall-breaking wink-wink stuff. On one level it's like being trapped in a SNL sketch that won't end. On another level it felt like an Ayn Rand novel for Democrats. They're supposed to be dolls but every character is either a straw man or a sock puppet and they're all here to talk to YOU about feminism.

There is some half-hearted attempt to overlay the standard action beats of a Hollywood three-act film over all this but it's beyond flimsy. Oh, we'll get Will Ferrell to do that scenery-chewing cartoon baddie thing he does and he can... whatever. A chase or something. Who cares, not important. Then the ghost of Barbie's creator turns up to provide some additional cultural context because fuck the movie, we've got a thesis going here. By the end the characters are just standing around monologuing the director's blog posts at the audience.
Sounds exactly like what Mattel wanted/needed after three plus decades of being a magnet for politico-socio-cultural debate. Now, everyone can go buy your own girl-empowerment-dolls! And don’t forget, boys can have fun and learn a few things playing with then too! Market. Saturation.

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DaveA wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:19 pm Wondering, as far as apparent feature-length advertisements go, how Barbie stacks up against The Wizard and Mac & Me.
Apart from obviously being a feature-length advert for Barbie (with a dash of "subversion" that is really just constant lampshading), the one that stuck out the most is the amount of shilling they did for General Motors. Of course there's Barbie's miniature pink Corvette, but that is quickly abandoned to showcase the all-new 2024 Chevy Blazer EV SS and GMC Hummer EV. The way they frame the shots when those bad boys are on screen just screams "car commercial".

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Anthony Flack wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:18 pm
DaveA wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:19 pm Wondering, as far as apparent feature-length advertisements go, how Barbie stacks up against The Wizard and Mac & Me.
Apart from obviously being a feature-length advert for Barbie (with a dash of "subversion" that is really just constant lampshading), the one that stuck out the most is the amount of shilling they did for General Motors. Of course there's Barbie's miniature pink Corvette, but that is quickly abandoned to showcase the all-new 2024 Chevy Blazer EV SS and GMC Hummer EV. The way they frame the shots when those bad boys are on screen just screams "car commercial".
Cross-generational marketing to the parents of kids who dragged them there? Haha.
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I wouldn't call it a kids' film at all, even though I was one of the dragged parents. There's a running gag about the Kens threatening to "beach each other off" -"I'm going to beach you off", "no I'm going to beach YOU off", etc. It ends with, spoiler alert, Barbie visiting the gynaecologist (because she is somehow granted the ability to become real; the film has no internal logic at all).

If it's a film for anyone, it's for 20-somethings who aspire to drive electric SUVs.

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If it's a film for anyone, it's for 20-somethings who aspire to drive electric SUVs.

This is great and possibly true.

I am torn with this - the trailers look funny, but I suspect the movie will be crap. I also don’t want to give these pricks my hard earned and resent the “irony within irony” arc in all this. Barbie is dumb, barbie is a tragedy for body images, barbie encompasses everything about comfortable white privilege etc etc. But now barbie is cool and ironic and empowering and…[other stuff]. I’m confused!

I’m sure there will be much hand wringing and analysis… who knows what conclusions may be drawn…

…AND I think Greta Gerwig is a cool director - Lady Bird was cool… (shakes head, mutters “this modern world “…)

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On another note - watched Kings of Summer w my 15 year old - funny as hell. Sure it recycles a few coming of age tropes, but there’s good stuff here. Also stars Nick Offerman from Parks & Rec, so there’s that…
Highly recommend if u got teens - ignore the R rating - just some swearing and an eviscerated rabbit…

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Anthony Flack wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:40 pm This is what a quarter century of shit movies has done to people, so go ahead and strike. Stay on strike.
Perhaps I'm being culturally insensitive here,, but Hollywood adopted the Bollywood model some time back, where they're just regurgitating star vehicles, nostalgia, fan service, and familiar plots ad infinitum. Star Wars, Marvel, Tom Cruise franchises, etc... They have made 10...fucking 10 Fast and Furious movies. They have made 8 Transformers movies. etc...etc... It all just coalesces into one indistinguishable slurry of rehashed garbage. It used to be that things like Death wish 4 were considered a target for ridicule, but now "Straight to Video" is all there is, and the publicum's thirst for even more of the same cannot be slaked, so I don't expect that to change.
janeway wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:52 am i do want to apologize if i offended anybody with my posts lately .. i was in denial of my impulses going wild

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