Type of thing I specifically have a hard time seeing on tiny monochrome Led screens, even when they are back lit. I was shot in the eye with a BB gun when I was a kid and my eyesight is terrible and uncorrectable. Is that R20 the Zoom you use? looks dead simple and has a really clean layout. I like the idea.ChudFusk wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:41 pm I don't use the Zoom for mixing, so all the screen is necessary for is making sure it's recording into the right project.
Re: Home Recording hardware upgrade question (Multitrack recorder? Daw?)
12I use the LiveTrak L-12, plan on getting the L-20 at some point unless they come out with a similar unit with the floaty bits. The R20 has a color screen and shows the waveforms like a DAW, but has less hardware controls and I have no need to mix on the unit. The display of the LiveTrak is much like that of the H2, H4 etc series of handheld recorders.
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13Little screens like that annoy me but aren't deal breakers. I've been making Miami vice music all month on my Yamaha qy70 with a book clip light velcro'd to the back like a mad man.
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14This is how I currently use my Tascam. I have no desire to mix things any place other than on a computer.ChudFusk wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:41 pmI don't use the Zoom for mixing, so all the screen is necessary for is making sure it's recording into the right project. They record to SD and then you throw that into your computer's DAW.Kniferide wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:37 pm I get that. I will say I haven't had any performance issues recording to any computers made in the last 7-8 years, Mac or Pc, as far as Memory or HD goes. Drivers really either. Honestly, recording to a computer is mostly headache free these days once you get comfortable in the app you choose. I will also say there is something attractive about just hitting record and going and then when it is time to mix just hitting play and having all those tracks just going through faders all tape machine style with no stupid screens to look at. But if you are wanting to know about simplicity just keeping it all in a computer is pretty low pain in these days unless you are Amish or something. all those Zooms and stuff are really good at what they do, the tiny screens are terrible for me given my crappy eyesight. If you do go CPU, don't get the cheapest io you can. go with a mfg that keeps support active for a long time like MOTU, Focusrite, UA (I say this with a certain trepidation) or RME. No Behringer, MAudio, Tascam (the Tascam IO's are good sound quality but software is terrible and driver support is not great). For Hardware "upgrade" the Zoom R12 and R20 looks pretty good to me and isn't crazy expensive. Simple, small footprint, actual XLRs, nice big color screen.
So let me ask you this. How is it moving things back and forth between the Zoom and your computer?
The process I have to go through now with the Tascam is very manual and time consuming.
I have to choose individual tracks on the Tascam and go through a process of exporting them to an export file. THEN I can turn it off. Connect it to a computer. Turn it back on and then select only the files I've chosen to export and move them on to the PC
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15Please post this!Kniferide wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:03 am Little screens like that annoy me but aren't deal breakers. I've been making Miami vice music all month on my Yamaha qy70 with a book clip light velcro'd to the back like a mad man.
"lol, listen to op 'music' and you'll understand"....
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17Ha. I will when there is something of substance to post. I just bought the thing and have been trying to figure it out. It pretty much is what you want if you want to make Miami Vice or ALF tv theme music. There are a few actually not so bad mono synths sounds in there though. Terrible screen. A lot of fun and I got mine for $80 on reverb. I bought a 4 track Teac Reel to Reel recorder a little while back and am thinking of using this thing for the first test project on that thing. Stay tuned.
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18Man...Phily wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:39 am
This is how I currently use my Tascam. I have no desire to mix things any place other than on a computer.
So let me ask you this. How is it moving things back and forth between the Zoom and your computer?
The process I have to go through now with the Tascam is very manual and time consuming.
I have to choose individual tracks on the Tascam and go through a process of exporting them to an export file. THEN I can turn it off. Connect it to a computer. Turn it back on and then select only the files I've chosen to export and move them on to the PC
For no more than you are talking "Input..." wise...
What is the exact argument against something like Reaper?
I'll bet a new box of Jellybeans that it will run solid even on the computer you think is the equivalent of an old Buick Skylark.
Not trying to be a grumpy uncle, but it sounds like it would really solve a few of the headaches as far as what is in red.
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19On the off chance that interested parties come across this in the near future...Kniferide wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:49 pm seems like a simple multi channel IO and a lappy and Reaper is maybe the best option. Skip a Hardware recorder all together since... they usually are a PIA. Maybe a Tascam Model 12 or something if you really want a hardware recorder. Zoom make something? Used Alesis HD24?
While is strongly suspect that you could put a HD24 into a cobra clutch and it would keep right on recording just fine?
Alesis had completely abandoned the thing, and it was designed to run on IDE hard drives. Never mind that getting tracks off of it is essentially accomplished by techniques so ancient that only a handful of folks can explain it to you.
A ways back, Elyia and I were talking over figuring some way to keep them working but it would probably involve witchcraft at the very least.
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20As simple as removing the SD card from the Zoom, sticking it into my computer, and importing the tracks to my DAW. I have an older Korg digital mixer that is a real pain in the ass to export: you have to copy the desired tracks to a separate partition of the internal drive, it takes a lot of time, and if the partition isn't big enough then you may have to delete files to make room for a bigger partition, blah blah that sucked. The Zoom is effortless.Phily wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:39 amThis is how I currently use my Tascam. I have no desire to mix things any place other than on a computer.ChudFusk wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:41 pmI don't use the Zoom for mixing, so all the screen is necessary for is making sure it's recording into the right project. They record to SD and then you throw that into your computer's DAW.Kniferide wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:37 pm I get that. I will say I haven't had any performance issues recording to any computers made in the last 7-8 years, Mac or Pc, as far as Memory or HD goes. Drivers really either. Honestly, recording to a computer is mostly headache free these days once you get comfortable in the app you choose. I will also say there is something attractive about just hitting record and going and then when it is time to mix just hitting play and having all those tracks just going through faders all tape machine style with no stupid screens to look at. But if you are wanting to know about simplicity just keeping it all in a computer is pretty low pain in these days unless you are Amish or something. all those Zooms and stuff are really good at what they do, the tiny screens are terrible for me given my crappy eyesight. If you do go CPU, don't get the cheapest io you can. go with a mfg that keeps support active for a long time like MOTU, Focusrite, UA (I say this with a certain trepidation) or RME. No Behringer, MAudio, Tascam (the Tascam IO's are good sound quality but software is terrible and driver support is not great). For Hardware "upgrade" the Zoom R12 and R20 looks pretty good to me and isn't crazy expensive. Simple, small footprint, actual XLRs, nice big color screen.
So let me ask you this. How is it moving things back and forth between the Zoom and your computer?