Re: Politics

851
Anthony Flack wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:26 pm
Gramsci wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:17 am Israel’s existence as a colonial state is no different to New Zealand or the US. The only difference I see is it being a bit newer. If anyone says Israel shouldn’t exist they’re not being serious. Other than if you’re generally anti any state on principle.
It is different, because it gives preferential treatment to Jews, both in law and immigration policy. Something that other colonial states certainly also did; see for example the "White Australia Policy" formally in place from 1901 to 1973, resulting in the Lucky Country becoming 98% white and racist as fuck, but thankfully no longer considered acceptable policy today (unless you're a One Nation Party supporter). But the settlers are here now, legitimately or not, and people who grew up in a place have a right to call that place home.

When people say Israel shouldn't exist, they mean the land shouldn't be designated as a Jewish ethnostate. I completely reject the idea that separating people by ethnicity or religion is a path to peace. Multiculturalism promotes prosperity. The best protection for Jewish people is to live in places where no ethnic or religious group has a majority, under a secular government that guarantees minority rights.

I read a quote recently from an Israeli Muslim who said that nobody ever asks them what THEY want, but a lot of them would like the above - to have the same rights as any other Israeli citizen. If two states is the political construct required to manage the integration process, then ok, sure. But two states in an India/Pakistan or North/South Korea -style split, is just a different version of the same kind of bad.
I don’t think you’re wrong. The issue is the idea of a single state solution with the entire territory as a single multicultural state is never going to happen, ever. No external pressure will force that, nothing the Palestinians do will ever change that.

I think your idea of what the territory should be is the most moral case, but I have zero hope that will ever happen so we’re stuck with partition.
clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.

Re: Politics

852
Krev wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:11 pm The irony of Israel is that its location was the first choice for 19th-century German fascists as a repository for the Jewish population.
Madagascar was the Nazi’s initial plan. But murdering 6 million people was cheaper.
clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.

Re: Politics

853
Who was the other guy getting railed (or doing the railing) in the Senate hearing room? I think the log cabin republicans - or some unreasonable facsimile thereof - set my man up.
Justice for Randall Adjessom, Javion Magee, Destinii Hope, Kelaia Turner, Dexter Wade and Nakari Campbell

Re: Politics

854
rsmurphy wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:41 am Who was the other guy getting railed (or doing the railing) in the Senate hearing room? I think the log cabin republicans - or some unreasonable facsimile thereof - set my man up.
This was the top headline on Fox News yesterday, and now it’s nowhere to be found. Kind of odd.

Re: Politics

855
Dave N. wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:36 am Kind of odd.
Not odder than Boobert giving a handy or the threesome + sexual assault between FL GOP chair Christian Ziegler and his hoochie-mama-scissor-sistering-moms-for-liberty co-founder wife, Bridget.

If only these people were capable of shame.
Justice for Randall Adjessom, Javion Magee, Destinii Hope, Kelaia Turner, Dexter Wade and Nakari Campbell

Re: Politics

858
losthighway wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:25 pm Our state court just ruled that Trump cannot be on the ballot as per the Fourteenth Amendment since he incited an insurrection.

Obviously, legal battles to come, but this is interesting.
I just saw that.

I would agree that it is interesting.
jason (he/him/his) from volo (illinois)

Re: Politics

860
Clyde wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:31 am The Supreme Court will overturn it.
No doubt.

I'm concerned instead about their ruling on whether Trump can be tried for things he did while president. If they rule in his favor, that'll shut down at least one, possibly several, of Trump's ongoing criminal trials.
jason (he/him/his) from volo (illinois)

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests