RyanZ wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:41 am

TylerDeadPine wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:42 am

losthighway wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:12 pm

They're the only future-proof format if you want to get serious.

As custodians of art we have a responsibility to capture a moment in time and/or two tablespoons of habanero salsa

Corn or flour?

Depends if it’s a 7” or LP

I keep randomly thinking about the possibilities of pressing records to different mediums like glass or metal and I'm not sure why. I know there are machines that would cut to aluminum discs like the Recordio but not aware if molten metal or glass could be used to actually stamp into.

I did a little googling and found that glass has been used many decades ago to very limited degrees. Seems like this would be the most permanent storage solution ever but "solution" has to be used loosely since there's not really that big of a problem to solve here.

Fuck I don't know, I don't even smoke weed but this feels like high-deas.

Garth wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 1:13 pm I keep randomly thinking about the possibilities of pressing records to different mediums like glass or metal and I'm not sure why. I know there are machines that would cut to aluminum discs like the Recordio but not aware if molten metal or glass could be used to actually stamp into.

I did a little googling and found that glass has been used many decades ago to very limited degrees. Seems like this would be the most permanent storage solution ever but "solution" has to be used loosely since there's not really that big of a problem to solve here.

Fuck I don't know, I don't even smoke weed but this feels like high-deas.

https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/golden-record/ Gold plated copper for "Sounds of Earth"

"NASA placed a more ambitious message aboard Voyager 1 and 2, a kind of time capsule, intended to communicate a story of our world to extraterrestrials. The Voyager message is carried by a phonograph record, a 12-inch gold-plated copper disk containing sounds and images selected to portray the diversity of life and culture on Earth."



also

Seems like there are a lot of reasons not to press into metal mostly being that it takes harder sharper tools and a lot more force to press a cutting plate into even something as soft as copper. PVC is hella soft and easy to press into. Also expense and speed of production. Glass offers another problem of shrinkage. As glass cools it contracts as much as 11% and can also do that irregularly. 3d printing records, if you could ever actually get to a resolution that would function takes so long to press each copy that it would drive up the cost hugely for mass production. Vinyl really is the most effective way to do it given speed, accuracy, material cost, and tool cost. The only reason it's still not hella cheap to have done is there are so many fewer plants doing it vs. in the 60s and 70s at the height of lp production.

that all makes sense, very reasonable response to a borderline fringe query. I figured there was a reason. I think if there was a problem to solve, it's that slight amount of wear that is caused by a needle very lightly dragging across plastic. I would think a harder medium could hold up even longer than plastic (not that I have any records I've worn out or anything).

To be honest I'm really just posting this as bait that FM BD might be lurking and an out-there question like this might draw them back with a wild, interesting, and off-the-wall suggestion how this could be done.

Was talking to someone recently about the manufacturing plant bottleneck RE: records, and I didn’t have an answer as to why someone doesn’t just solve this problem with an additional plant? Is it a machine/tools/materials issue as well? I mean, I’m sure there’s a valid answer that I just don’t understand. Otherwise, the solution seems pretty clear, right?

Lots of plants added new machines/capacity around the time of The Great Squeeze of 2021.
It took a long time for all of that to come online but I expect manufacturing turn times to begin to drop drastically this year.
Supply chain issues (materials etc) also seem to have stabilized after some pandemic-related craziness.
I think plants will need to get comfortable dealing with larger numbers of low-quantity clients, which would involve a lot more customer service work (rather than just pressing records). This could theoreticallly work out well for the small guys and the indie sector.

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item ... 466849091/

How's about wax cylinders?

Teacher's Pet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:34 am Lots of plants added new machines/capacity around the time of The Great Squeeze of 2021.
It took a long time for all of that to come online but I expect manufacturing turn times to begin to drop drastically this year.
Supply chain issues (materials etc) also seem to have stabilized after some pandemic-related craziness.
I think plants will need to get comfortable dealing with larger numbers of low-quantity clients, which would involve a lot more customer service work (rather than just pressing records). This could theoreticallly work out well for the small guys and the indie sector.

We got records in 3 weeks.

mdc wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:19 am

Teacher's Pet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:34 am Lots of plants added new machines/capacity around the time of The Great Squeeze of 2021.
It took a long time for all of that to come online but I expect manufacturing turn times to begin to drop drastically this year.
Supply chain issues (materials etc) also seem to have stabilized after some pandemic-related craziness.
I think plants will need to get comfortable dealing with larger numbers of low-quantity clients, which would involve a lot more customer service work (rather than just pressing records). This could theoreticallly work out well for the small guys and the indie sector.

We got records in 3 weeks.

Where'd you press them?