eephus wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:02 am
Frankie99 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:19 am
Also, Haley is probably just as dangerous as Trump, in different ways.
No. She is not.
Thinking Trump will be as bumbling and incompetent in office the 2nd time around is a mistake.
They had their dress rehearsal.
Running for president is extraordinarily difficult for the candidate. Almost no one has the skill and ability to dissemble necessary to truly front a campaign. Reagan, Clinton, and Obama are the only great presidential candidates of the last fifty years.
The campaign, in the absence of someone with real star power, is what wins it--props up the candidate as best they can and instills enough excitement, fear, and rage in their constituencies to get them to vote.
Trump has star power. Also the morals of an alligator. All that combined with his complete ruthlessness makes him as skilled a demagogue as has ever run for the office. But the Biden campaign in the last general was extremely well-run, and they beat him. So whatever. I don't care how old he is or about anything else really. He's not Trump, and he's going to be the alternative.
If Haley gets the nomination, I'll be marginally relieved. I'll definitely be less worried about her sure-to-be-terrible presidency than if Trump got back in there.
Gonna disagree, which is why I said she's just as dangerous in different ways. She can put through actual legislation with the help of a sympathetic congress (should that be the case). Her people will know how to get things through the works in ways that Trump's peeps clearly do not. His people are ham fisted and foolish. They will remain ham fisted and foolish, but might have learned from their previous mistakes.
I think it's short sighted to give her more leash simply because....well, I don't know why. But she's def. a better legislator and has more brains than he does. it is not that I think he's *less dangerous* because of his first term per se, and I'm not counting on Trump being a complete buffoon a second time, but I'm not going to look past her ability to carry out the same policies, just with a little more polish while doing it.
IOW, he'll hold a press conference saying all the terrible shit he will do before doing it, cause a ruckus, get people riled up, etc. She will pursue the same objectives he would have, and has a better grasp on what it takes to get that done.
IOOW, I don't trust her any more than I do anyone of the fuckos trying to get elected under the guise of conservatism, including Trump. They're lying at all times.
I agree both are varying levels of terrifying, but I am not willing to say that one will be a relief over the other. Either one, we're pretty fucked, but we'll be fucked differently.