Kniferide wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:00 pm I just added a new sub to my room. It's the third one I've tried. I first had a little Jbl from a home theater system and it was flubby and weird, I'm using that as a sub off the synths in the live room now and it is more suited to that. I replaced it with a even smaller passive Pioneer sub from a home 5.1 sound system. It, because it was less cable of being a sub, actually sounded better, but still I could never get it in the sweet spot. The Adam Sub 7 was the MF Stupid deal of the day about a week ago for like $200 so I bought that. I have Adam T7V speakers in there now so I thought it might go well. It does. Using Fuzz Measure I was able to find the lowest peak my Adams pitched and tuned the subs mound to be an octave below that. Funny thing is, to just fill in the octave and not he hyping anything the sub is literally 2 clicks higher than OFF! Just barely on at all, but it sounds really good. I gotta get a foot switch to bypass it but its the best sub so far. I fight with Low end in my tiny room almighty and to the end. There are traps. Lots.

Any luck with subs in a small room?

When I went off the deep end with room measurements I concluded a sub couldn't fill a null caused by a room mode. Since a room mode is caused by resonance and/or room dimensions causing phase cancelation putting more of the missing frequency in the room would cause a proportionate increase in phase cancelation of that frequency.

Then again, placing the sub creates a source for the missing frequency in a different position which could interact with the room differently. Then again, again bass wavelength is so damned long.

This is more of an "I wonder" than an "I know". I bring it up because it's totally theoretical (I never actually tried a sub) whereas you're fiddling with it in practice which is worth more in my book.

But lots of traps, boy do I know that experience. Like add a cubic yard of insulation, shoot the room with the software, then see a whopping 10-15% improvement in a problem area. Repeat.

I recently got a good pair of open back headphones that seem really sensitive to low end that my speakers and closed back headphones were totally missing. I'm also using Total Balance Control and a special analyzer. I don't necessarily rely on visuals for eq balance, but they are a helpful and inexpensive way to assist my ears when it comes to subs.

I'm in the process of building a virtual rig for the studio that I can also use with a power amp and a cab. I've been researching amp modelers for awhile and I've come to the conclusion that helix, neural dsp, amplitude, kemper, fractal, et all are all splitting hairs. These modelers are only as good as their chipsets, so buying modeler hardware isn't going to stand the test of time like an amp. I've got an extra laptop lying around that I was planning on using as a synth brain for fun. Instead, I am going to put a fraction of the money I was going to spend on a modeler on a usb interface that I can stick on a pedalboard and use the laptop to run VSTs with some clever midi integration. Instead of chasing expensive modeler hardware, I'll chase the software. That's where the action is anyway. The laptop has more CPU power than modeler hardware and I won't be limited by blocks, interfaces or platforms. It just won't be as optimized.

The only worry I have is the issue with managing latency, if that would even become an issue. Running a few VSTs with low sample rates should be ok. The issue I'm trying to work around is iLok. However, I'm thinking of getting an IK Multimedia Axe I/O One as the USB audio interface. It's got a small footprint and the buttons are on the top of the unit, like a pedal. But, it comes with a light version of Amplitude 5. The software doesn't use iLok and you can install one license on multiple machines and it can run standalone. Seems like a good place to start, though I've read it can be CPU hungry. Still, the interface is less than half the price of a Tonex pedal, so at the very least if it doesn't work out as well as I theorize, all I'm out is an extra audio interface that would actually be pretty useful in the studio.

I found a freeware VST host that does really clever signal routing with core audio that can use midi integration to expand on this idea further. It would even make IR integration possible for FOH as an option, or allow running multiple amp models out to different cabs, or even splitting out a dry signal. It makes the laptop even more versatile as dsp hardware.

Kniferide wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:00 pm Adam T7V speakers

Maybe not the thread for it (kinda), but these are the monitors I planned to get after spending another year or two on room treatment and setup. It’s the only thing on my S*****ater “wish list.”

Do you like them? Would you buy them again? My “control room” is small too. I just use JBL’s for balancing and nice headphones for eq moves and checking at the moment.

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Kniferide wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:00 pm Adam T7V speakers

Maybe not the thread for it (kinda), but these are the monitors I planned to get after spending another year or two on room treatment and setup. It’s the only thing on my S*****ater “wish list.”

Do you like them? Would you buy them again? My “control room” is small too. I just use JBL’s for balancing and nice headphones for eq moves and checking at the moment.

I've had a lot (A LOT) of Sub $1000 a pair speakers and these are my favorites by far. I hear the low end on the T8V is a little thumpier, but my room is 8X9' and bass is hard in there. They sound very good. maybe a tiny bit of a peak in the 800-1.6K range, but find me a 2 way that isnt. The lows to not get hyped up like other cheapo monitors, hence adding the sub. It has a foot switch so I can quickly A/B with it off. The sub is barely on at all. Just filling in the octave down from the tops a little so when I'm working with synths I dont let them eat everything. These are really pretty great speakers. A friend has A7x's and they sound great but to me, not like 5x as good. They do kinda iron out that midrange and the Low is more defined, their Highs are a bit much until you get used to them. At work we have Genelec 8040B's which I actually really hate. For a monitor that is supposed to me a professional studio monitor, I've never heard a more puffy, cloudy low end. It sounds like DSP to me. I'd rather acclimate to the midrange and mix on the cheap Adams. I'm looking at getting some Focal Shape 60's soon and will be keeping the Adams too.

losthighway wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:24 am When I went off the deep end with room measurements I concluded a sub couldn't fill a null caused by a room mode. Since a room mode is caused by resonance and/or room dimensions causing phase cancelation putting more of the missing frequency in the room would cause a proportionate increase in phase cancelation of that frequency.

Then again, placing the sub creates a source for the missing frequency in a different position which could interact with the room differently. Then again, again bass wavelength is so damned long.

This is more of an "I wonder" than an "I know". I bring it up because it's totally theoretical (I never actually tried a sub) whereas you're fiddling with it in practice which is worth more in my book.

But lots of traps, boy do I know that experience. Like add a cubic yard of insulation, shoot the room with the software, then see a whopping 10-15% improvement in a problem area. Repeat.

Yeah. I got a pretty dep null at about 140 that cannot be corrected with the space I have. I just gotta deal with it. Not enough space to add more traps (I have a 8X3.5' X 10" deep R15 Panel along the wall behind the wall behind the speakers along with 2 corner traps, and a 6X3.5'x8" panel behind me) 8X9' room, low ceilings, no more room! The sub Isn't pitching into that range a ton. It's focused at around 45hz and barely there at all. just barely. It's on a footswitch so I can bypass it. I mostly wanted to as a spot check to make sure I wasn't cluttering the sub end too much. It sounds good, and you barely hear it until it is gone. I learned my lesson trying to EQ away that null, the Traps helped a ton, but if I am anywhere other than the sweet spot... terrible. sucks for playing back mixes cause I gotta get up and say "you should sit riiiiiiight Heeeeeer!"

I picked up some superior drummer/ez drummer packs. Feilds of Rock, on eBay as a license transfer was pretty cheap. And the Alt Rock ez pack. That is literally Electrical Audio. Hat tip to JSP for bringing that to my attention. Couldn't find a license transfer, but FYI Thomann usually sells license keys for a small discount and no tax.

I'm looking forward to learning Superior Drummer and playing with these packs!

cakes wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:58 pmAnd the Alt Rock ez pack. That is literally Electrical Audio. Hat tip to JSP for bringing that to my attention.

Oh yeah, I used it for a few years when I was drumless (and still find occasional uses). The Gretsch kit with Acrolite snare are my favorite software drums. Pro Tip: you can find the SKWM kick drum under the timpani menu.

penningtron wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:27 pm Pro Tip: you can find the SKWM kick drum under the timpani menu.

Hell yeah! I wondered if that was in there, like an Easter egg.

cakes wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:58 pm I picked up some superior drummer/ez drummer packs. Feilds of Rock, on eBay as a license transfer was pretty cheap. And the Alt Rock ez pack. That is literally Electrical Audio. Hat tip to JSP for bringing that to my attention. Couldn't find a license transfer, but FYI Thomann usually sells license keys for a small discount and no tax.

I'm looking forward to learning Superior Drummer and playing with these packs!

I never thought to check eBay for license transfers, that's a good idea. I've got the Rooms of Hansa and Legacy of Rock SDX expansions and they're probably some of the best drum samples I've played with. I wouldn't hesitate to make a record with them.