I prefer the Staytrem to the Mastery as well. Just checked the Staytrem page and he's up and running just fine, there's no notice about long wait times like there used to be either, so that's good.

MoreSpaceEcho wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:10 am I prefer the Staytrem to the Mastery as well. Just checked the Staytrem page and he's up and running just fine, there's no notice about long wait times like there used to be either, so that's good.

I've never had an issue with my Mastery. I always hated the Mustang style bridges on a Jazzmaster and the Staytrem is just that, no? The biggest improvement Mastery made for me was that it does not move in the thimbles and is locked in place. Improved sustain and resonance quite a bit, and on occasion the stock bridge would slide forward and not return to zero, totally fucking up the tuning completely. The floating bridge was a gimmick and a mistake imo. I like that fancy other new thing but it moves (no thanks) and is spendy.

Mastery is nice. My only beef is you can't individually intonate the strings. They're in clusters (was it 2 strings on each bar?).

I've heard from offset Fender heads that the Straytrem solved all of their stock bridge troubles.

Whoop:

Dr Tony Balls wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:53 am
2) SIX whole saddles? Go fuck yourself, Mastery.

Beat me to it!

Seems like they're all befuggled in some way.

Original JM Bridge: uh wtf Leo
Mustang Bridge: at least it's better than the first option
Mastery: solves the floating bit but that's actually a feature some folks like, more importantly, one is unable to completely set intonation on each string.
Staytrem: I have not seen one in person but it looks like there's no individual saddle height adjustment? I guess you could use shims maybe?
Tuffset: Seems to solve most of these issues...but it reverts back to the floating/rocking trem...

Seems like none of the options do everything: Fully intonatable, firm & locking w/ out rocking/floating, full height adjustment.

Dr Tony Balls wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:53 am 2) SIX whole saddles? Go fuck yourself, Mastery.

Tele bridge over here like

losthighway wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 6:39 pm Mastery is nice. My only beef is you can't individually intonate the strings. They're in clusters (was it 2 strings on each bar?).

Three. If you run a wound 3rd like me, too bad. Whereas the Tele bridge can do a good job with pairs on each saddle.

Garth wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 8:46 pm Seems like they're all befuggled in some way.

Original JM Bridge: uh wtf Leo
Mustang Bridge: at least it's better than the first option
Mastery: solves the floating bit but that's actually a feature some folks like, more importantly, one is unable to completely set intonation on each string.
Staytrem: I have not seen one in person but it looks like there's no individual saddle height adjustment? I guess you could use shims maybe?
Tuffset: Seems to solve most of these issues...but it reverts back to the floating/rocking trem...

Seems like none of the options do everything: Fully intonatable, firm & locking w/ out rocking/floating, full height adjustment.

- Staytrem does not have individual saddle height adjustment, but instead comes in either 7.25" or 9.5" radius which solves things.
- Staytrem does rock back and forth in the thimbles. At the time that I bought mine (2017) you could specify the inclusion of non-rocking vinyl bushings, however. That doesnt show up on their site right now, but you might be able to email and ask about that, or go old school and source your own bushings.

Nate Dort wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 8:57 pm

Dr Tony Balls wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:53 am 2) SIX whole saddles? Go fuck yourself, Mastery.

Tele bridge over here like

Right, but i'll give that a pass as there weren't a whole lot of string options in 1950, nor was intonation a huge concern (a 1953 Les Paul had ONE saddle, lest we forget). A three saddle bridge was reasonably intonateable (sp?) given wound E-G and plain B-E. Nowadays there are of course many options to convert a three saddle bridge to have proper intonation on many string sets, be it compensated or tilting saddles. Mastery (in 2007, mind you) said "i have a great idea....TWO saddles". 60 years of guitar engineering before them, and knowing full and well that people nowadays play on all kinds of string sets and tunings, they limited their design to 'your top 3 must be all wound or plain and your bottom three must be all wound or plain. Its shit engineering. How can you make a Jazzmaster bridge that cant serve Sonic Youth?

OOH OOH...I have more shit to sling.....

The fact that Mastery makes their stupid two saddle bridge for a Telecaster is laughable.

LOL at perfect intonation to play Sonic Youth..

penningtron wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:43 am LOL at perfect intonation to play Sonic Youth..

On their recent livestream for the Walls Have Ears release, Thurston mentioned (or was responding to) being out of tune. He could be revising history, or just giving insight, but his response was something like tuning issues were something that always bothered him, but he was too lazy to do anything about it until later on. Go figure.

Bridges: I've got a Mastery bridge on a tele, and staytrems on a Jazzmaster and Bass VI. They all work well so far, but maybe that's all luck. The Tuffset's alleged combination of stability while working with the original floating design, plus adjustability, made it worth checking out.