jirbling rake wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:41 pm

penningtron wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:43 am LOL at perfect intonation to play Sonic Youth..

On their recent livestream for the Walls Have Ears release, Thurston mentioned (or was responding to) being out of tune. He could be revising history, or just giving insight, but his response was something like tuning issues were something that always bothered him, but he was too lazy to do anything about it until later on. Go figure.

Tuning slippage, or buzzing, or strings popping off, are frustrating issues worth addressing. It's just funny to me to get huffy about microscopic intonation issues on a guitar yr gonna turn around and do a Kevin Shields/Roland Howard/[fill in the blank] impersonation with.

penningtron wrote:

jirbling rake wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:41 pm

penningtron wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:43 am LOL at perfect intonation to play Sonic Youth..

On their recent livestream for the Walls Have Ears release, Thurston mentioned (or was responding to) being out of tune. He could be revising history, or just giving insight, but his response was something like tuning issues were something that always bothered him, but he was too lazy to do anything about it until later on. Go figure.

Tuning slippage, or buzzing, or strings popping off, are frustrating issues worth addressing. It's just funny to me to get huffy about microscopic intonation issues on a guitar yr gonna turn around and do a Kevin Shields/Roland Howard/[fill in the blank] impersonation with.

Oh yeah. I hear what you're saying now. For me, this is to try out an interesting sounding bridge. Other people have their own hobbies and obsessions, and more power to them for it

For the love of god. This showed up in the classifieds for $A1000 ($US660) in a G&G case. What was I supposed to do?

Holy hell, great deal - which jm version is it?

jirbling rake wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:50 am One of these Tuffset Bridges, for use in a future Jazzmaster project. It looks like a solid and interesting approach to the standard JM bridge. Interested to see if it's as good as it appears to be:

https://tuffsetbridge.com

I’m curious. Looks like they’ve taken the Babicz concept and applied it to the JM/Jag/Mustang. A couple of head scratchers: why have those overlapping tangs. I could see that getting in the way of the break angle. And why those sharp ass corners on the ends?

I have zero issues with the Mastery because I use plain 3rds, standard tuning mostly, and normalish graduated string gauges. It’s a nicely made bridge. I’d definitely prefer 3 saddles, but I ain’t hatin’. The Staytrem by comparison looks like cheap ass metal. Is it? Modern Mustang bridges use garbage metal which is why I had a stash of 1960s Mustang bridges for a long time. Believe it or not, the metal matters. I still have two of those on a couple of my offsets. My only beef with them is the string spacing is a bit too wide.

penningtron wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:00 pm Tuning slippage, or buzzing, or strings popping off, are frustrating issues worth addressing. It's just funny to me to get huffy about microscopic intonation issues on a guitar yr gonna turn around and do a Kevin Shields/Roland Howard/[fill in the blank] impersonation with.

Fair, I personally don't know if I have a good enough ear to hear it if it's slightly out but I know some folks who can hear that and for them it's a slightly-maddening experience, like being hyper-sensitve to smells or textures.

I guess I'd just assume that a $200 bridge would surely have individual string intonation or at least 3 saddles which would get the job done and I can't see how that would compromise the design. I don't think that's unreasonable especially since not everyone who plays an offset is going ham on the noise rockin and whammy barring. And considering how that Mastery bridge specifically is designed to halt the rocking aspect of the original design and be firmly put. You'd think that this might be important for those users, idk.

Not arguing since I don't have a skin in the game (and I'm certainly never going to question Nels Cline ffs), it's just a head-scratcher/weird quirk.

tommy wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:28 am I’m curious. Looks like they’ve taken the Babicz concept and applied it to the JM/Jag/Mustang. A couple of head scratchers: why have those overlapping tangs. I could see that getting in the way of the break angle. And why those sharp ass corners on the ends?

The maker of these is on the offset guitars forum. He talks about his decisions in this thread:
https://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vi ... 8&t=126191

As for StayTrem: it feels solid and not cheap to me. Fender has licensed its design for some of their guitars now (or at least the Johnny Marr model). Not sure of the difference between one from StayTrem direct vs. Fender's version (if any)

mdc wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:05 am Holy hell, great deal - which jm version is it?

Japanese from 2004 - I had the witch hat knobs in my parts draw. Plays wonderfully. Now I have to sell its sunburst sibling.

tommy wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:28 am The Staytrem by comparison looks like cheap ass metal. Is it?

Nah. Seems perfectly solid.

tommy wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:28 am Modern Mustang bridges use garbage metal which is why I had a stash of 1960s Mustang bridges for a long time. Believe it or not, the metal matters. I still have two of those on a couple of my offsets. My only beef with them is the string spacing is a bit too wide.

Funny, this weekend I thought "I'll pull out my jazzmaster to see what it sound like in my current rig" and I have a modern mustang bridge on it, which solves the dumb slotted saddle issues, but I noticed creates other problems like you mention with the width.

Beginning to think JM's aren't worth the trouble, or I just need to drop the coin on upgrades, which I'd rather upgrade other things than the GD bridge FFS.