They were never great rappers and I'm sure they'd be the first to admit that.
I still have that issue of Grand Royal as well. The interview with the Nuge....
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22My recollection is that they insisted it was a misunderstood act, but I think the SOD comparison is apt. Either way, the difference between being assholes and *pretending* to be assholes doesn’t really matter much. Firing their drummer was more that just commitment to the shtick.jeff fox wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 8:04 pmHow exactly was it insincere?Wood Goblin wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 9:47 am Their apologies for the frat era still seem a little insincere—the frat persona clearly wasn’t just a put-on, even if it had started as one—but their actual *improvement as people* while in the public eye was remarkable. Fame didn’t make them worse!
Regardless, they were fucking 17 years old. I was a dipshit well into my 30's. They were cool before and after that blip. And Hold It Now...Hit It, and Paul Revere are both absolute genius.
But yeah, they were kids, and we all did awful shit at that age, and they faced more temptation to be awful than most of us did. How they changed was admirable, and they seem to have made amends to Kate Schellenbach.
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23All T no shade but I'd often wonder how many whips in Englewood were bumpin' Paul's Boutique compared to, like, Naperville.
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25But that's it, isn't it? It's easier for suburban kids to realistically relate to some juvenile jock types than actual gangsters.rsmurphy wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 9:37 am All T no shade but I'd often wonder how many whips in Englewood were bumpin' Paul's Boutique compared to, like, Naperville.
I think they're generally are a joke band with a few fun singles that broke the mold at the time. But the stuff that people remember, isn't it mostly that they had collaborators who defined the sound? Rick Ruben, Dust Brothers, Money Mark, and Mario C, etc...seem to be more the masterminds behind those records than the group themselves. I guess that's the case for most rap, but they really got lucky in the sense that their material was otherwise pretty fluffy.
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26True, but I'd also wonder the same about groups like Odd Future.zorg wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 10:42 amBut that's it, isn't it? It's easier for suburban kids to realistically relate to some juvenile jock types than actual gangsters.rsmurphy wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 9:37 am All T no shade but I'd often wonder how many whips in Englewood were bumpin' Paul's Boutique compared to, like, Naperville.
Them Mo' Wax rekkids is dope.Money Mark
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27My quip on the old forum was disparaging them as the black Bloodhound Gang. I think that still stands. I think Steve also had a funny story about them being uncouth during a shared taxi ride.rsmurphy wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 10:56 am True, but I'd also wonder the same about groups like Odd Future.
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28Is the question whether Odd Future’s fan base basically white suburban kids? My kids go to a local high school that’s 90% black and pulls from several south side neighborhoods. Plenty of their friends love Earl Sweatshirt and Tyler, the Creator—in fact, our kids learned about them from classmates, not Pitchfork.
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29I enjoy the music of both Beastie Boys and Odd Future but it's interesting to think about who the music finds and inspires. I was also raised in a solidly working class neighborhood and am afraid of the streets.
Back around the time of Steve's kerfuffle I'd argue yes but would also be ready to be corrected. Now I think it's generational and younger black kids in general are more open to weirder imagery, beats, and production matters. Also, the Internet.wood goblin wrote:Is the question whether Odd Future’s fan base basically white suburban kids?
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30No kids listen to rock music anymore....School of Rock is basically like joining choir. Divergent nerd stuff. Vice-versa every rapper has some shitty verse on a manufactured pop artists record. So I think we're done with the gatekeeping around any rappers being "legit" or "street" or whatever. Beastie Boys probably played their part in that.