Gramsci wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 5:30 am

handsbloodyhands wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 10:15 pm For the third straight election a large part of of the US population wants Trump for president. 12 years of nausea.

I’ve said this ad-infinitum but the primary problem isn’t Trump, it’s a policy free, donor captured DNC.

The other side needs to present something for average citizen to vote for, actively. Not just “have you seen the other guy!?”

Until the US can manifest a Bernie-style politician in their 40s or early fifties I think the US is screwed. Sanders articulates the problems in the US and is broadly listened to. I don’t think all Americans regard themselves as Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires, there is definitely space in the US political structures for what is dismissed by MSNBC types at “left wing populism”. It just needs articulation by an actual leader.

losthighway wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:17 am educating the U.S. on what socialism actually means seems absurdly difficult. It's like we need someone to propose the definition of democratic socialism without saying the S word.

new yorker wrote: But he still won’t say that the President is capable of serving a second term.

bernie sanders wrote: Despite my disagreements with [Biden] on particular issues, he has been the most effective president in the modern history of our country and is the strongest candidate to defeat Mr. Trump.

In an NBC poll from this past weekend, sixty-two per cent of all Democrats say that Biden should not be the Party’s nominee. Of Democrats who voted for you or Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 primary, that number is eighty per cent. There seems to be a gap between very progressive voters, who seem even more eager for Biden to leave, and progressives like yourself in Congress. How do you understand that?

I think it’s a couple of factors. I think there’s no question that many of my supporters—and I can’t speak about Elizabeth—but my supporters are very upset, and justifiably so, at the President for his position on the war in Gaza. And I pointed that out in my op-ed. I think what’s going on there is a humanitarian horror show. I think Netanyahu should not get another nickel, but that is not the White House’s position. And I think there are a lot of people, young people, people of color, who are very unhappy with the President for that—and I should say the Democratic Party as a whole.…

O.K., so you’re not concerned about whether Joe Biden can be President in 2028, early 2029. You’re not concerned about that?

I’m concerned about a lot of things, but, yeah, Joe Biden will get elected. If Joe Biden gets elected—everybody’s health is in question. You don’t know what’s going to happen, right?

I would just say that you not being able to say this clearly is a reason that people might have doubts about whether he should be the nominee, and feel that the Party should choose someone who people feel confident can finish their term.


You are doing exactly what I’ve been faulting. If you want to make the case that Biden is not the perfect candidate for a dozen different reasons, go ahead, and you’re right, but, tell me, you’ve got a better path forward? I don’t think you do, because I don’t think there is a better path forward. I think he is the best candidate, and I think if he runs a strong, effective campaign focussed on the needs of the working class of this country, he will win. And I think there’s a chance he could win big. ♦

losthighway wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:17 am It's like we need someone to propose the definition of democratic socialism without saying the S word.

enframed wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:08 am

losthighway wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:17 am educating the U.S. on what socialism actually means seems absurdly difficult. It's like we need someone to propose the definition of democratic socialism without saying the S word.

Branding issue for sure.

Curry Pervert wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:30 pmOf course, the problem is made so much harder because all the money and media are in the hands of right wing sociopaths.

cnbc wrote: President Joe Biden is facing an uprising from some his own party's wealthy donors, including an heiress to the Disney family fortune, who say they will no longer fund the Democratic Party until Biden drops out of the presidential race following his disastrous debate performance.

Abigail Disney, granddaughter of Roy O. Disney, who co-founded The Walt Disney Co., told CNBC on Thursday that she plans to withhold donations to the party she has funded for years until Biden drops out. The president has said he has no plans to withdraw from the race, despite calls for him to do so.

Gramsci wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:45 am You don’t needed to attach any isms to a platform that would materially improve people’s lives.

ChudFusk wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:54 am

Gramsci wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:45 am You don’t needed to attach any isms to a platform that would materially improve people’s lives.

The isms serve to confuse and divide. You can’t eat isms and they don’t mean anything without being tied to clear actions and intents. If we have clear actions and intents then we don’t need labels for the method of delivery.